gallery “After all, you are your father’s son”

The inspiration for this article came from the exchange between Chuck and Alexei Volkoff at Twin Pines Cabin in Push Mix:

Volkoff: “After all, you are your father’s son.”

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Chuck: “After all, I am my father’s son, aren’t I?”

I love the whole dialogue and the acting in this scene, but it also made me think about the words used, because after a while I realized that they are not only valid for Chuck, but can in fact be applied to (almost) all main characters of the show.

In this article I want to demonstrate that basically every main character is defined by the character of his/her chosen guiding parent; and in fact in almost all cases it is just one not both parents.

Of course, this analysis is written form the viewer’s perspective (parent’s character largely defines the character of the kid) and not the series writers’ objective (parent’s character justifies the actions and trait of the kid).

I will begin with the characters that were positively influenced by their parents; the second half deals with the characters that were negatively influenced.

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Positive Influence

Chuck

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I don’t want to talk much about Chuck and how the character of his father defined the basics of his character, because I think in Chuck’s case it was most obvious. Stephen Bartowski provided Chuck his moral compass:

“You know, my father… he taught me a lot of things. Like, looks can be deceiving. Fight for your family. And of course, never use a gun unless you absolutely have to.”

 

But Chuck and his father also had a lot of other things in common: both fell in love with a spy, were very good at making plans, had a talent for working with computers, wanted to help people, acted emotionally when it came to their own family.

 

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Morgan

Morgan Grimes had no father that we know of. The fact that his father wasn’t even mentioned at some point during the series made him practically fatherless. The lack of a person that could have shaped his character explains why Morgan was basically stuck in teenager-mode for almost the whole time during the first two seasons.

Mayor changes happened to his character in season three. These changes were largely introduced by Big Mike when he trusted Morgan with the assistant manager position. Around that time he began to accept/choose Big Mike as guidance and as a father figure (This doesn’t mean that he accepted him as a stepdad yet). This was also evident by Morgan’s attempts to copy Big Mike, like the fish in his office (and the fact that he like Big Mike had an office; he was the only assistant manager ever that had one).

But Big Mike was not a static character; his character was actually developing very much during the series. These changes were driven by his search for happiness/fulfillment. This is best described by G. Walter Bush in “Unpacking Chuck 2.0” (in Chapter 3. Excellent book; every Chuck fan should have it. If you don’t have, buy it and the first one as well; just follow the link).

 

Big Mike’s development:

I will use some of Bush’s observations on Big Mike’s development but I will modify them to fit my interpretation. To keep it concise:

Big Mike felt dissatisfaction with his life in season 01. The Marlin in his office was a symbol of that: It was hollow on the inside.

In season 2 he started his fishing trips like ‘a fisherman looking for a real prize’. Although he clearly enjoyed his trips he was just avoiding the fact that they couldn’t fill his inner emptiness.

Finally when he was delivered the divorce papers he realized where his emptyness came from. Lonelyness and emptiness; he did’t want to be alone for the rest of his life. That was the point from which he was refocusing on what was important to him.

Soon he found some happiness when he met Bolonia Grimes and eventually fell in love with her.

At this point he still continued to go fishing; the search for his inner fulfillment wasn’t over yet.

Finally in Cubic Z he told Morgan: “I spent the past few months out on the sea, hunted with my bow, looking for my inner Big Mike, my happiness. I discovered the source of it. […] Your momma.”

In conclusion his path wasn’t over until he reached his final goal: to have a real family. For this it was important to marry Bolonia. And moreover he wanted to gain Morgan’s acceptance/recognition: “Give [the ring] back to me when you think I’m worthy of your mother’s love”, which he received by the end of Cubic Z.

If I remember correctly, after s04e03, we never see Big Mike go fishing again; he has reached his goal, this part of his life, this search, is over. (I don’t want to discuss the other parts of his path because this part of the article is supposed to be about Morgan)

 

Morgan’s character development went through similar steps:

Although he found professional success at the Buy More being the assistant manager, he still admitted in Beard: “I’ve been a loser my whole life”. This can be attributed to a lack of fulfillment, his desire to be/do something greater.

He wanted to escape his ‘loser-status’. In order to do so he wanted to be included in the spy missions after he found out about the spy team. But he was actually not really qualified (and although he enjoyed it, most of the time acted like a moron in the spy world). His failed attempts to become a spy were analogue to Big Mike’s fishing trips. Both looked for fulfillment, but both first chose the wrong approach to reach it.

Finally Morgan found happiness in the relationship with Alex. (But like Big Mike’s fishing trips, Morgan’s desire to be a spy weren’t over, yet).

Morgan was also looking for acceptance/recognition like Big Mike, but not from him. They already accepted each other. Like Big Mike Morgan will look for the acceptance of the most important person in the life of his beloved. Therefor during s04 he was trying to gain Casey’s acceptance/recognition by trying to prove that he can be brave and that he is worthy of Alex.

Morgan’s priorities changed, made him even quit the spy stuff at the end of s04 for Alex’s sake. But the Intersect drew him back into the spy life and his desire to be a hero. Anyway, for his path s05e01-s05e08 were just a detour.

In goodbye Alex and Morgan announced that they will move in together. Casey giving them his key to his apartment so that they can live together can be regarded as a final blessing from him (and acceptance of Morgan).

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(There are more similarities between their characters/ development, like for example both of them kind of assuming a Godfather identity in Colonel / Muurder etc., but I think I mentioned the basic points.)

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Captain Awesome

Although Devon’s father Woody only appeared in two episodes (Sensei & Ring), we can clearly observe that Awesome’s character was shaped by him. The most obvious characteristic both have in common was their love for/obsession with exercises.

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But also the way Woody interacted with his wife was similar to how Awesome interacted with Ellie. Woody was only allowed to make suggestions, while all decisions were made by Honey (this was quite evident when they were all sitting together at the table discussing wedding matters). Also in Ring Woody didn’t do much, but even there we see him mostly carrying out Honey’s orders.

The same way Awesome was also mostly completely submissive to Ellie’s wishes and her demands (when there were engaged and married).

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 (You could say that this submissive trait is not really positive thing and Devon should be moved to the ‘negatively influenced’ section. I still chose to keep him here, because I don’t judge Woody’s influence completely negative. All in all Awesome was a caring guy)

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Negative Influence

Ellie

Ellie’s and Frost’s character and behavior had a lot in common.

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Ellie had no problems to use her own family (for example: Living Dead, Gobbler) or lie to them if it suited her (Truth, Family Volkoff); the same was valid for Frost (Aisle of Terror, First Fight).

Ellie made Chuck quit the CIA because she thought it was too dangerous for him and wanted to protect him. This can be compared to Frost using the suppression device on Chuck in First Fight, which was also supposed to stop and protect him.

This directly leads to the fact that in their egoism (or self-centered assumption of what is right) they both never understood or tried to learn who Chuck really was and what he wanted, forcing him into bad situations (Beefcake, Ring II, Fear of Death).

Both were never considering alternatives because they always assumed that they were right anyway and they never considered the consequences of their actions.

Both never really apologized for their actions when they have been wrong. Also they never tried to make things right, they just kept going.

The way Ellie behaved with Orion’s computer was most telling: She has got a new toy (her mission) and as a result she neglected her three months old child (A-Team, Muurder). This is similar to Frost’s behavior, since for her missions also always came first, which resulted in her neglecting/abandoning her kids.

Both kept their secrets from Chuck and only let him know when he had figured it out by himself anyway (For example: that Ellie was working on Orion’s computer and what she found out; that Volkoff was in love with Frost and that she knew Agent-X’s  true identity).

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Sarah

I will also keep this part short because the influence of Sarah’s father on her personality is, in my opinion, as obvious as in Chuck’s case.

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It is worth mentioning that Sarah is this first case for which the parent doesn’t belong to the same sex as the character.

Her character reflected how Jack saw/treated the word: you can only trust and rely on yourself; the world is of full of marks, you can only be either conman or mark; the world is full of adventures/ don´t stay too long in one place; know the tricks or be a sucker, read people and use it to your advantage, never expect anything from people (no matter how close), only care for yourself.

But Sarah technically has two fathers Jack Burton and Langston Graham. While Jack basically defined Sarah´s character, Graham reinforced and amplified Jack´s character/actions. (A spy is just the ultimate ruthless conman).

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Having this double imprinting made it most difficult for Sarah to overcome it and she often wasn´t initially willing to do so. In the beginning Chuck guided her through the process of changing her set character but more and more she was also able to do it herself.

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Vivian Volkoff

I’d also like to keep this part short, in this case because Vivian doesn’t belong to the main characters. But I wanted to include her, because although just a secondary character, her character was also influenced/set by her father’s and that in turn means that her parent as well belongs to the opposite sex.

Well, the truth is Vivian technically didn’t really have a father, since Volkoff barely visited her, their longest conversation between them was like 10 minutes and she didn’t know who he was or what he did for a living. This had direct influence on her character. When we met her she didn’t know what she wanted to do with her life. The failed party also suggests that she didn’t know her place in the world/society. The fact that she didn’t know that she was supposed to be her father’s succession plan also means that she didn’t know who she really is or her role in life (a little like Morgan but not annoying or childish). When she finally, under guidance of Riley, found out who her father was, her character started to mirror Volkoff’s. But the identity/character of her father was only a masquerade/ fictitious like her acceptance of the darker parts of being a Volkoff – she just did what she thought was expected from her. This enabled Hartley and Chuck to convince her to change in the end, accepting that her real character was more like Hartley’s and not Volkoff’s.

Lester & Jeff

They were special because we actually never meet Lester’s or Jeff’s parents on screen, but from the few pieces that were mentioned during the series we can still draw some conclusions.

Lester

Lester was a special case: He didn’t distinguish between mother and father but rather refered to them as his “control freak parents”. Lester’s longing for power and to control things manifested itself during the whole series. The first time he was really in charge was in Seduction when he was promoted to Buy More’s assistant manager. After being challenged in his leadership by the Buy More employees he abused his power by introducing the wheel of misfortune. This is directly related to the abuse of power his parents exhibited by using a different version of this wheel when Lester was younger.

After failing at the Buy More however the main focus of Lester’s desire to control became Jeffrey. Jeff was the weakest person among the people that he knew. This resembles the control that parents have over their kid. His control of Jeff included being in charge of Jeffster but it even touched his job and personal life. If his leadership over Jeff was challenged he would resort to drastic measures (Living Dead, Business Trip).

Being a control freak also manifested itself when imprisoned in Hack off. Lester’s first step wasn’t to adjust but to gain control of the other prisoners.

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Jeff

I think it is safe to assume that Jeff’s mum was his chosen guiding parent. We know that “she’s doing a stretch up in the state pen at chowchilla” (Truth) and in Santa Claus Jeff called her. This imprisonment is connected to Jeff who we learn in First Kill has been institutionalized.

My favorite Jeff-line as well refered to his mother “My mum used to say knowledge is powder” (Truth), a hint to her drug addiction. Also Jeff claimed in Three Words he has “been drinking this jail juice since I was in diapers. Built up a tolerance.” This can be attributed to his alcoholism as well as to his mothers.

All we know about Jeff’s dad is Jeff’s remark in Nemesis: “pineapples are fun – my dad used to throw them at me.” But we also learned that his mom once had a threesome with Jeff’s dad and uncle. This (let’s call it uncommon) sexual behavior reflects itself in Jeff’s behaviour when hiring his sister as a stripper for Devon’s bachelor party (Broken Heart) or that he apparently saw nothing wrong when siblings are kissing passionately (Best Friend). His stalker behavior can be attributed to this as well.

Jeff was also not completely satisfied with his mother’s character imprinting although in his case the struggle was less obvious (and less succesful) but he made steps to at least overcome his loser status (for example at end of Tom Sawyer and creating the video-montage in Last Details).

In Frosted Tips Devon found Jeff sleeping under his van while the engine is running, inhaling a huge amount of carbon monoxide. After prescribing Jeff to not sleep in his van anymore he was able to change and overcame his mother’s character.

(Even if I like smart Jeff I hate the way they “accomplished” his change and in my opinion Jeff should have had a part in making his change happen.)

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Closing remarks

Interestingly, there were some similarities between Sarah, Vivian and Jeff: These three were the only characters for which the dominating parent character was of different sex. Their parents were never really there for them:

  • Jeff’s mother was in prison at least during the whole series
  • Vivian’s father labeled himself ‘absentee parent’
  • Sarah’s father Jack was in prison most of her life and admitted that he was a better conman than father

The three were the only ones that completely changed their predominated character. All of them couldn’t fight their way out of their set characters alone and needed external help for this (Devon; Chuck; Hartley). All three were willing to change, although in Sarah’s and Vivian’s case there was a lot of struggle.

In this analysis three Chuck characters are missing: Beckman, Casey, Alex. The reasons for this are:

  • Obviously we don’t know anything about Beckman’s or Casey’s parents.
  • In Casey’s case it could be discussed if Keller (or less likely Bennet) was kind of a father figure for him, but even if so, we practically don’t know anything about him, so no real conclusions can be made.
  • In my opinion Casey was not the chosen guiding character for Alex. Although she shared some qualities with him, they differ in a lot of things. So I guess her character was formed by her mother, but again we don’t have sufficient information about her mother’s personality to draw any real conclusions.

 

When you take a closer look at the influencing persons it gets interesting: 2 out of 2 mothers have negative influence on their kids. Add Ellie neglecting her baby, makes you wonder, if Fedak had a problem with his own mother. Add how he treated Sarah and you might wonder if he is just a sexist who has problems with strong women.

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And with this I’d like to end this article. Again, feel free to comment, disagree or tear it apart in the comment section. Or just comment right away on the writers’ mistakes and how they destroyed the series. It seems like all comment sections end up at those points eventually anyway.

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21 comments

  1. Good article….and some interesting perspectives. I think you may be a little too hard on Ellie, since her “abandoning” of Baby Clara was a one off ….hard to really relate it to leaving for good.

    I also don’t get why people are so hard on Fedak for Sarah. Given that she was supposed to be a supporting character, he made her one of the story’s protagonists….more or less sharing the spotlight with Chuck. I know you and Chris ( and many other males ) would prefer the story center only on Sarah …..but the series was called “Chuck” for a reason. There are many people that are very happy with Chuck being the main protagonist.

    • Gary,

      sure I am a little hard on Ellie, but in my opinion that is the spy life/ real life comparision the series always drew. So what I want to say is that Ellie didn’t abandon her child but she did the ‘real life’ anolog of Frost’s action.

      And just for clarification: I don’t want a story centered around Sarah, I really like Chuck (unlike Chris). I just would have liked if Sarah would have been treated in a fair way. Sure the show is called ‘Chuck’, doesn’t explain why the writers were so focused on Morgan and his well being as well, since she show is not called ‘Chuck and Morgan’.

      • How was Sarah treated unfairly ?

        And you REALLY think Morgan was given the same amount of emphasis as Sarah ??? C’mon ….you can’t be serious !!! Morgan was Chuck’s best friend …..and friendship was an important element of the show. Morgan was always there for comic relief and the real bridge between Chuck and the Buy More….nothing more.

      • Sarah was treated unfair because they abused and sacrificed her character too often.

        I agree friendship was important to the show but so was love. It just seemed to me that the show was also stuck in teenager mode: your best buddy and his wellbeing is more important than your wife.

        But probably I am not impartial when it comes to Morgan. I really hate that bearded moron; for me he was the worst character of the entire show. I have actually started to write an article about him because I guess I am the only one who hates him.

  2. I thought we saw the end of Morgan in Season 2…and I really didn’t like that Morgan….no matter how much he was Chuck’s best friend when his parents left. He seemed to have absolutely NOTHING in common with Chuck and was, IMHO, a major negative influence on Chuck and his ability to move on after Stanford. Chuck’s affinity for him seemed a bit forced, given his many negative characteristics.

    When he came back and was given a BIT of ambition and responsibility, then he seemed more in sync with the back story and with the series in general. I think that was important, given that they took away Chuck and Sarah for S3 ….Chuck needed someone to be positive in his life, rather than the “old Morgan”. I rather enjoyed the Beard as an episode, Sarah’s actions in it notwithstanding. Now, I hated the Morgansect ….don’t get me wrong. It was more or less a foreshadowing and set up for Sarah’s Intersect, but they spent WAY too much time on it.

    As for Ellie, I agree that she was unapologetic for the grief she caused …first to Chuck and Sarah in Beefcake, then to her Dad in S3 ….she was, more or less, responsible for his murder. I would have liked to have delved into her work on the Intersect a bit more …. she seemed to be able to “fix” it, but what she did to it, or how it worked better was never elucidated. She may be the key to restoring Sarah’s memories if ( and when ) a reboot ever gets of the ground ( and if the writers want to go that route ). I would go a different way, but I think Ellie may have a part in the future.

    • As for Sarah, I really don’t see any abuse. We see the hero she is …we see the commitment to Chuck and his family ( and friends ), we see the growth. If she didn’t have these huge obstacles thrown in her way, we don’t get a sense of her strength and her intestinal fortitude. Plus, theses things have to happen to show Chuck’s commitment to her as well ….to showcase his growth. He didn’t really do that much for Morgan …help him out after the Morgansect corrupted him, but that was it. Morgan moved on with Alex, so I think you’re just being overly sensitive that ANY story line involved Morgan. Like I said, there are many people who liked Morgan’s character, especially his developing friendship with Casey. But there is no way that the writers put Chuck’s friendship with Morgan above Chuck’s relationship with Sarah……the whole series was pretty well based on the relationship between Chuck and Sarah.

    • I find that my opinion on Sarah being on the same level with Chuck when it comes to the story stems from the overall fan base reaction to Sarah. We once talked about the fact Sarah’s story is one of redemption. In most cases, the redemption story is better told over the long haul. Casey is a redemption story, but we as fans always loved the conservative hot head he can be,

      I also get the notion the series is called Chuck, but I have been preaching a great storyteller is able to adapt and change with the way the fan base is reacting. We all know people hated S3, but not everyone did. Despite what Captain may say. Binge watchers see the same story as the week 2 week watchers. I personally don’t like commercials thus wait for the entire season to play itself out so I can watch it in one sitting.

      Ellie’s issue stem from what the Bartowskis are about.. Strong minded with moral fiber. Frost had it because she never left Hartley’s side. Orion believed running would protect his family. Ellie had to play mother and sister 2 Chuck who later was a hero by sacrificing his own happiness by giving Sarah the glasses 2 save the world.

      It’s in the Bartowski DNA to be strong willed. Morgan is a different case altogether I never liked the character so we can agree with that aspect..

      • I have never once seen the fan base call for Sarah to be the focus of the show. People liked her character, and wanted her and Chuck together …they wanted the story to be about them ( and it was ). You are confusing YOUR love of the Sarah character with what other people liked about the character, IMHO. Just because you wanted the whole premise of the show changed, not very many people actually wanted Sarah to be the main character. That would have been quite a stupid move, and would have necessitated taking the comedy aspect of the show away.

        As for Ellie, I think we can agree she was strong minded. But at times she was overbearing, and, like Michael said, unapologetic for the mistakes she made. Even Mary and Orion were somewhat apologetic for leaving the kids, even if it was for the “right ” reason. Ellie could have used some of that humility.

      • Gary, I am not saying you but just because a show’s title is Chuck doesn’t mean it will always be that way nor should it. Stories evolve over time and it always hurts the viewer because of cing a character (s) a certain way. For example, I never liked the humanity aspect of Jack Bauer because that isn’t how the character was written, but I understand the motive. Chuck decided 2 go dark in the misery arc, but I liked the significance of the ordeal. Most love Colonel 4 that reason, but I don’t because of the unresolved relationship issues they had

        The reason I don’t like Chuck was his winning nature and in ability 2 follow orders I didn’t like Chuck putting Sarah in toughest situations like chosing 2 follow orders in front of Beckman like in Predator. Is that fair 2 Sarah?

      • That’s a rather simplistic view on the viewing experience.

        What would you’re reaction to the S3 story in you would have had to have waited 3 internet heavy weeks between Mask and Fake Name.

        Netflix allows you to power through the misery arc in 1 or 2 days. Not listening to podcasts or visiting forums to discuss episodes – all of which helps you form opinions (yes good or bad, and yes the internet was quite a negative place during S3)

        Practically all misery arc episodes end on a down note. Imagine carrying that downer ending for a week (or three) until the next ep – oh wait you don’t have to.

        It’s not the same story because for a lot of the real time viewers (not all) the story couldn’t end fast enough. On Netflix it’s over with quickly.

        The program is same sure, but the viewer’s experience (which totally affects what you’re seeing) is totally different.

        Throw into that muted characters and everyone was seeing different things.

        As far as the “show being called Chuck”, that excuse (and it’s totally an excuse) has been used to explain way too much on the show. Sarah was totally an afterthough during S3. Her character was only there to get a reaction from Chuck. She existed for no other reason.

        In the five finales after S2, Sarah was effevtively sidelined so Chuck could have his BDHM.

        That is how Sarah was treated “unfairly”.

        In fairness however, after the misery arc Chuck isn’t treated very well either.

  3. It’s interesting how each character has developed a fanbase for each of them. I know I love Sarah, Shaw, Mei Ling and a host of other characters. This article really is a nice read….Good Job Michael for another great piece.

    One thing I would like to point out is Frost did tell Chuck how she regretted leaving her family. She also provided a very emotional conversation with both Chuck and Sarah. Remember in First Fight, Frost told her story. Was Frost heartless or focus on the job a bit way too much? Well, Isn’t Sarah the same way. The job is often the reason for people’s actions. Case in point, Casey refused to have a connection with Alex because of he believed he would be reassigned. Is this the life of all the characters? Parents lives do impact the future of our children.

    Orion never wanted his creation to reach his children, but somehow the creation found Chuck. It’s that very notion of Orion’s success would ultimately become Chuck’s nightmare. Sarah’s upbringing as a conman’s daughter would only be enhanced by the CIA and Bryce. The emotions Walker once had would return once she saw the lengths her job would go to protect secrets or the country. Chuck and Hartley both become a shell of themselves once the Intersect began to consume them, but apart of them never died as Hartley stayed close to Vivian much like Orion did for Chuck. The exception was Volkoff never had the stability like Chuck had. It must be difficult to go through the world alone. For Bryce and Jill, It’s even harder

  4. Chris,

    Frost regretted leaving her family but she never apologized to Chuck or Ellie. And I think that is a very important point. Ellie also felt regret for her decision to make Chuck quit the CIA in Seduction Impossible but she also won’t apologize for it.

    Feeling regret is just for you, just concerning your own pain; apologizing involves the people you hurt, their feelings and acceptance of their pain.

    Sure Frost had emotional conversations with both Chuck and Ellie but she just tells her story, no apologies. The persons involved are emotionally isolated because there is no sharing of emotions and no rehabilitation.

    About Frost, Sarah and Casey being heartless: yes sure they were and the job was very important to them. But Sarah & Casey never endangered the people they grew to love (Chuck, Alex); in fact anything else became secondary to them if they were endangered. Frost didn’t really mind.

    Sarah fathers (from a character building point of view) are Jack and Graham, like Stephen for Chuck. The CIA and Bryce are not directly involved . For example, Sarah and Casey helped Chuck to become a spy, which is part of his defined character, but that doesn’t mean that they defined or build his character, that was already set by Stephen. Same goes for the CIA and Bryce in Sarah’s case. What the CIA and Bryce did, from this point of view, is insignificant because the character-devolopment is already defined by the parent.

    • Michael,

      Langston Graham represents The CIa, his teachings comes from protocol. Thus, The CIA is her surrogate family. Bryce assumes the father figure role in the form of being another male who influences her in a different way. All three men play roles in the make up of SW. It’s hard to see that because Bryce and Sarah sleep together, but still the role of a BF has father like qualities in the sense of the need to protect and help navigate through the field. Remember Bryce said “The only way to survive is think and act like they do.” its the quintessential method of a conman. Remember the thief has to leave when he commits a crime, but the conman leaves when he wants. It’s the same as a spy.

      You have to place Bryce, Graham and her father in the same category because of the hold they have on her.

      • Yeah Chris,

        I just strongly disagree. Bryce has a hold on Sarah as a boyfriend and partner but not as a father figure. You don’t need to be the father or father figure of someone to have influence and it is only natural in a relationship to have a hold on each other.

        You have to consider when Bryce entered her life (not that we really know) but it can’t be too long before 2005. She already was a spy and worked with the CAT Squad. So her character is already set and defined when she met Bryce.

        If you want to, you can consider him like a caring/ protective brother, if you really need any family association between them.

  5. Chris…then you have to put Chuck in the same category as Bryce…..but they are male influences, not parents. We tend to think of parents during times of imprinting ….. Bryce came along well after she was imprinted.

    Michael… I see your point regarding Ellie and Frost …. they expressed their regret….and I believe that is a bit different than apologizing. It seems to be more of a rationalization to themselves.

    Chris…. what the heck would a Sarah-centric series involve ? She has not friends other than that shown in CAT squad. We met her father, so there can be no long term episodes involved there. We finally got to meet her mother, but that was well explained in the Sarah-centric Baby episode. Sarah world revolved around Chuck…her redemption revolved around Chuck, so it only made sense to have the series revolve around the 2 of them. The supporting characters that we met in S1 were Chuck’s family and friends, and while new characters could be introduced, it can’t make any sense in light of Sarah’s past ….it would ruin the journey of redemption if you introduced all these family and friends that showed she was normal. Considering Sarah was supposed to be a supporting cast member, they did a good job of making the show revolve around the love story. The hero journey and her journey of redemption were completed early on ….by S2 I would say. The remaining story was about Chuck and Sarah.

  6. Chuck may not quite be a father figure to Sarah, but he is certainly a strong role model. He negates so much of what Jack taught her. He is neither conman nor mark. He puts others ahead of himself. He cares deeply about his family and friends. Money means very little to hum. Pretty much the opposite of her own father.

    As for centering the show more on Sarah, I would much rather have seen some episodes flashing back to CAT Squad missions, or how she and Carina met and became friends than anything in the misery arc. I thought “Baby” was a very good episode, important to show why Sarah was ready for Chuck to come into her life. Sarah has a back story that could have been interesting to develop.

    • That’s just it….her back story was told. She wasn’t even a full agent when she was in the CAT Squad ….only completing her Red Test just before being with Bryce. After Bryce, she was the wild card, lone wolf assassin. Most people didn’t like that Sarah….and perpetually having series revolving around a flash back is tough …especially if the episode IS the flashback. The best is when they give a brief flashback…such as they already did. There are very few secrets left to tell for Sarah that would enhance her journey of redemption.

      • She could not have been the Wildcard after Bryce. She was still Bryce’s partner when he stole the Intersect. Thar’a why she had to fix it. She was under suspicion as his accomplice. I don’t know what put you off Sarah, but you’re welcome to the misery arc if you would rather watch it than Sarah meets Carina.

      • Lonny,

        I think Gary made himself very clear how he feels about the misery arc, like almost all of us.

        This whole idea to have a Sarah focussed story, where the whatever came that from? That is a terrible idea.
        Gary is right, Sarah’s story is told. We just got to know the essential parts of her past. And that is also something that made the character great. She started as a mystery and we learned the things of her past that made her her. Anything else would be redundant and it would destroy the density of her story.

        Yes, I would also like to know more about Sarah but I don’t want to see it. There is always the danger that we get oversaturated with information. If we know to much about her then it simply kills our impression of the character. The unfulfilled desire to know more about a character is what keeps her character alive.

        But I am really curious how many people here support this terrible idea

      • Nothing put me off Sarah ….I’m just saying that switching the story from Chuck over to Sarah would be a bad move. The crazy cast of characters that we all love were Chuck-centric …it was his crazy life and family. The Intersect was the catalyst for these 2 worlds to collide ….Sarah came into HIS world as a result….and the story became THEM. In parallel storylines, Chuck became a “hero” and Sarah began and completed her journey of redemption. But they required each other to complete that journey …. their love for each other was the driving force. It never bothered me that Chuck’s “story” was, perhaps, the main story. But it did not exist in a vacuum …..Sarah’s story continually overlapped it.

        And we got a lot of Sarah-centric episodes along the way ….. I think Helicopter was actually the first Sarah-centric episode, TBH. That’s not bad for a “supporting “character !!! Then there is Wookie, DeLorean, Cougars …. and any story that involved Bryce is equally a Chuck-centric AND Sarah-centric episode. Phase Three was huge…..and perhaps the best of Season 4. Baby was, IMHO, the best of Season 5 ….both Sarah-centric episodes. As a matter of fact, there were only a few Chuck-centric episodes …… in essence, most episodes were Charah-Centric, especially once the Misery arc was over. IMHO, THAT was the focus the fans wanted ….. not Sarah by herself. I thought they did a really good job of giving Sarah’s past its due without taking away the “mystery” of her character.

        As for Sarah’s past, she was the lone wolf assassin the day before she came to Burbank ….as evidenced in the Baby. She had been Bryce’s partner, but Bryce was off …probably undercover, in Fulcrum for quite a while….tracking down the Intersect. So I doubt he and Sarah were true “partners” at that particular time….probably hadn’t really worked together for the previous 6 months or so.

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