gallery Chuck vs The Mask

For many fans Chuck vs The Mask marked the darkest point in Chuck’s history. In fact, this episode made many fans walk away from the series for good. Shaw returns to the fold, and makes his moves on Sarah.

While Hannah makes her moves on Chuck. Our favorite couple venture off into the their pursuers graces. They say if you truly love someone set them free. If they come back, they are yours. While this episode is dark. It has some good scenes that are worth talking about.

Let’s unmask the mask.

The episode opens with Shaw challenging his inner Tom Cruise in a vault. He lowers himself down to grab a mask, but in the process one of the screws let’s go from the latch and dropped all the way down to the ground. The impact caused the security system activate, which sealed Daniel in the vault. The oxygen level in the vault was sucked out of the vault, which caused Shaw to call the Intersect for help.

Shaw lowering himselfShaw needs Chuck's help

At the Buymore, Hannah asked Chuck to teach her, and at the next install she wanted to tag along with him. Chuck said,  she must walk first young grasshopper. As they were talking, Sarah walked into the Buymore asking Chuck to help Shaw who was stuck in the vault.

It is amazing when the team needs his technical skills they come running, but other times completely ignore his cyber skills. Anyway, Hannah asked Morgan who the blond was, and Morgan said that was Chuck’s ex.

Hannah talking Buymore with ChuckHannah first glance at her competitionTime was running out on Shaw. Chuck arrived and went straight for the control room. As the museum curator was breathing down his neck, Casey said it was up to him. Further the added pressure with Hannah showing up. It became a real pressure cooker for Bartowski.

Hannah hear to help

While time was dwindling, Chuck was able to break the system and save Shaw.  The curator was so impressed with his skills he hired both Chuck and Hannah to attend the grand revealing of the mask.  Shaw told Chuck to take the job.

At Castle, Shaw went over the episode’s mission. There was more to the mask and Shaw wanted to keep The Ring from getting it. He instructed Chuck and Hannah to operate the computer system, while Casey stayed in the van. Shaw and Sarah were going to work the floor and eventually sneak back to the vault and swap the mask with a reproduction. Everyone was on board except Sarah. She voiced her concerns allowing a civilian in on the mission. Chuck said, it would be a perfect cover just in case they needed to send in the big guns.

Sarah not sure if allowing Hannah work the mission was a good idea

Before we go further on with the episode, it’s worth mentioning when Shaw had purchased a coffee for Sarah and gave her a stir stick. He said, “I noticed you like to chew your swizzle stick.”  Sarah didn’t take to kindly at the gesture and threw the stick away.

An ice breaker of sorts

Clearly at this stage of the episode, Sarah still doesn’t like Shaw. She was annoyed when he noticed how she chewed  her swizzle stick, and threw away the stick with a bit of disgust in her flicking.

Sarah’s disgust of Shaw continued during mission preparation. It was a bit creepy at the end when he bluntly asked if they slept together. I had mentioned in Sarah Walker vs Agent Walker Part 4, it came off as  sexual harassment to me.

Shaw and Sarah mission prep

Shaw was aggressive and very creepy in the extent of a superior coming on to his employee. Asking questions like how long have we been dating and have we slept together. Sarah’s expressions were telling in she was on to him and fended him off a bit.

Shaw played it off as making the cover more realistic, which makes you know Shaw had a hard time figuring out Sarah. Sarah doesn't show signs of liking Shaw still Shaw making moves on SarahIn contrast, Hannah and Chuck are getting along. They are smiling and conversing. Complete opposite of what’s going on in Castle. It’s more evidence Sarah wants nothing to do with Shaw.

Shaw then asked have they slept together. He says it changes the dynamic of the cover. Sarah cuts him off the bridge with any sleezy thoughts in superman’s head.

Sarah disguisted by ShawChuck and Hannah prepping for a mission

Here is where i am going to talk about Hannah and Shaw. Both of them are interested in Chuck and Sarah. It’s not shocking why. Chuck and Sarah are great people, and it would be crazy to think other people wouldn’t be interested in them.

The problem is Shaw may not be sincere as Hannah was. Hannah was a stalker by full definition of the world. She showed up in Burbank like woman on a mission. She didn’t know anything about Sarah or what Chuck did on the side. All Hannah knew was she wanted Chuck.

When the four arrive for the mission.The significant difference between the two couples takes place in this scene. Hannah imitated the domino effect when she kiss Bartowski, which Bartowski was a willing participant, but while those two were kissing. Shaw and Sarah walked into the function still against each other.

Shaw made his move

Shaw continues his assault on Sarah by placing his hand on her shoulder, but Sarah still isn’t into Shaw. She reminded him of what they talked about in Castle. Shaw said he understood, but this was a ball not a high school dance.

So right now between Chuck and Sarah, she is still resisting her pursuer and Chuck gave into his. I still see nothing wrong with this set up.  What I take issue is with this.

Shaw kissing Sarah's neckLater in the episode, she will say this kiss was kind of nice. I don’t buy it. This is an expression of feeling uncomfortable.

Shaw knew what he was going Shaw’s attempt here was a failed one. Where as in the control room.

I want to kiss you chuckHannah and Chuck kissedChuck is all in with the kiss, but while they were kissing, Hannah saw Sarah on the monitor., which made Hannah ask what the deal was between the two. Chuck couldn’t tell her the truth, but lucky for him he was able to flash on someone in the room.

Chuck would enter the ball, and Shaw had the line of the episode here in this scene. Chuck pointed out the baddie of the episode and  instantly Shaw said they had to abort the mission.

Chuck points out ring agent
I burned his face Shaw: You tend to remember the guy who set your face on fire.

Chuck told Shaw he was willing to get the mask with Sarah, and to further my case Sarah wasn’t into Shaw yet, she jumped at the chance to work with Chuck.  Sarah was smiling about the idea of Chuck working with her instead of Shaw.

Happy to be working with Chuck instead of Shaw

 

While this was all going on, Hannah was watching from the control room, and saw Chuck skip off with Sarah. While preparing the harnesses Chuck and Sarah were bickering about Shaw and Hannah. Each trying to one up the other on who was innocent in everything.

It was enough for Casey to shut off their earwigs. Shaw asked did they turn off their mics. Casey said, “no, I did. Its tough on the ears when listening to them bickering.  Shaw has a lot to get use to.

Shaw and Casey in the vanChuck and Sarah prepping for  lowering

Meanwhile in the control room, the coordinator was pressuring Hannah to open the curtains for the revealing, but no such luck as Shaw was preventing it from happening from the van.

Sarah was lowered into the vault with the reproduction, and as Chuck was holding the harness wire, The baddies paid Chuck a visit. The fight scene with the battle between Shaw and Hannah was quite entertaining for me. I loved how Sarah tied the harness to the baddie’s belt.

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It was a bit of spy craft because the baddie knocked Chuck down into the vault. It swung Sarah back up and she did a nice maneuver that stunned the baddie. She threw the reproduction piece down to Chuck who caught it. The baddie recovered and tried to choke Sarah, and the fight was one.

Sarah got the upper hand eventually, and Chuck and Sarah were able to make the switch.  Chuck returned to the control room and was greeted by a very angry Hannah. She asked how could he leave her during her first Nerd Herd assignment. She further would say things between them should be strictly professional. Chuck wasn’t thrilled about hearing that.

Meanwhile the baddie hacked into the security feed and was quite impressed with how Chuck used two women to make the switch. He would call the Buymore and ask Morgan if he could send Hannah back to the museum. Morgan agreed.

Hannah in trouble

Hannah went to the museum, and was greeted by the baddie. He put her in the vault and locking her in their. He turned on the security system and the oxygen levels started to dip fast. He would then call the Buymore, and this time Chuck picked up.

The baddie said to bring the mask and nothing would happen to the girl, and to come alone. As Chuck was preparing to run down to Castle, Morgan stopped him, but Chuck said he didn’t have time to talk to him right now. Morgan took defense to this and followed Chuck into the Home Theater, but couldn’t find Bartowski in the room.

In Castle, Shaw and Sarah were working on the mask. Shaw was able to find a hole in the base of the mask, and opened it. The front of mask opened up, and out rolled a canister, which released a gas. Castle’s security system contained the gas in the room with Shaw and Sarah.  Chuck came down to get the mask, but he was too late as Chuck was sealed off from Sarah and Shaw.

Chuck looking onShaw and Sarah trapped

Chuck turned around and flashed on the gas’s name and told them there was a counter agent nearby and it must be at the museum. He figured the baddie wouldn’t of sent the mask without it. What is interesting about this scene was Sarah’s expression as Chuck went to go find the counter agent.

If Sarah was into Shaw, she wouldn’t need to make the expressions above. Especially, the second picture. The second screen cap was a look of don’t leave me.  We haven’t seen this look from Sarah in a long time.

Where are you going

As I mentioned above, I don’t believe Sarah when she told Shaw she liked the advances Shaw was giving her.  I think the gas was designed to let the viewer know Sarah was not under her own power anymore. I will finish my thought on this in a moment.

not a face of a man that had a hots for someoneIt's not a convincing enough

Chuck and Casey were on their way to save Hannah and get the counter agent. While on the way, quicksilver Chuck came up with a plan to trick the baddie into thinking the gas was not released.  Casey was on board with this idea, and when Chuck get to the museum he didn’t have to wait long. Casey worked his way to the top of the vault.

Chuck raises the mask above his head, and threatened to drop it,but the baddie said he didn’t believe Chuck released the fake gasehim. Chuck said that was too bad, and dropped the mask on the floor releasing gas into the area.

The baddie admitted there was a counter agent, and Chuck flashed on a vase that had the agent in it. Meanwhile, the gas was cleared, which made it safe to move around Castle. Shaw saw that Sarah was not doing too good, and grabbed a high power rifle and shot them free.

Shaw daving Sarah

Chuck was able to turn off the system, and returned oxygen into the vault. Casey gave the agent to Shaw and Sarah, who arrived at the museum, and we have arguable one of the worse scenes of the series.

Chuck is with Hannah and Sarah was leaning on Shaw.

Chuck with the wrong woman

For the first time Shaw shows emotion

Its a disaster. The idea that this was a great idea for the viewer to see was poor decision making. It could of been implied and the impact not so severe.  What’s worse is the whole episode Sarah was showing disdain for Shaw, but we are to believe saving her would change her feelings just like that. I don’t think so.

It’s character assassination. Hannah demonstrated  an obvious interest on her part. She came from Paris to work at a Buymore in Burbank. It’s not that far of reach to realize her intentions. Casey said in best about Chuck. “any pretty girl that bats her eyes, Bartowski becomes interested.”

Shaw’s intentions are not sincere because  we can see later he was working an angle. I will explain more on that at the end of the episode. Sarah was the one that makes everyone puzzled in the scene. She is leaning up against Shaw, but let’s be fair she was under have dose of  a lethal gas. It would be unrealistic to think she would recover quickly. After all, she suffered the blast of the smoke worse than Shaw did.

As the team was sending their pleasantries to each other, we come to a key point of the story. Charah are venturing off for that last ride away from each other. The final test if you will.

Shaw said Chuck’s training has been stellar so far, and it was about time for the training wheels to come off.  When I watch this scene I think back to The Break Up.

Sarah has no choice but to let Chuck follow his dream Chuck proved in this episode he was more than capable to handle himself on a mission, and he was a more viable option than Shaw, and here is where Sarah lies even more.

Sarah's expression says she isn't agreeing with this We have watch Sarah for three years now, and we have learned when Sarah’s on board with a mission, and when she has second thoughts. This wasn’t a woman on board with the plans. Sarah didn’t say anything about how she truly feels. She going with the flow as if the writers took away her voice.

She talked with Chuck after the briefing away from Casey and Shaw.  It seemed like everything was getting back to normal of sorts, but it’s not the case. Sarah was covering for her true feelings. She has put this facade on before.

The top set of screen caps comes from Chuck vs The Fat Lady. I compare this to the scene in the Mask for one reason. Sarah is hiding her true feelings. The only honest screen cap is the second row picture 2. She made that expression after saying she would be in the way personally.  As Chuck walks away, Sarah has nothing else to do but wave the white flag like she did in Fat Lady.

Chuck went running for Hannah, and Sarah was staying late with Shaw. I can understand the Chuck and Hannah part, but as I watched the whole episode Sarah couldn’t stand the advances of Shaw. In fact, they were borderline creepy for Sarah, but then I saw something that changed my opinion as the song of the episode played Matt Costa’s Astair

Sarah still not sure if this is something she wantsShaw looks happy Casey was leavingSarah isn't into thisSarah clearly isn’t enjoying this. The reason is she still has Chuck on the mind. Here is more proof. She is trying to fend him off by saying this isn’t a good idea, but Shaw in persistent.

She feels guilty

Once he puts his mitts on her, it’s too late. she succumbs to his spell.  Meanwhile, Shaw has a smirk on his face doing it.

Its an evil smileI am sorry, Chuck

If this was feelings for each other I don’t know what is. Its a relationship built on false pretenses. Hidden agendas that make this relationship look terrible on screen because of the way the story was told.

It’s why people hate Shaw because of what the writers did to the character and how they assassinated Sarah. They both are powerful characters that became voiceless. In my opinion, it wasn’t a relationship that was built. It was the boss using his employee as a pawn in his game  of manipulation.

He never interacted with Casey yet because there was nothing to gain from Casey.  It was all about one man and that man is Chuck.

Morgan and Ellie

Chuck’s secret is being under investigation now. It’s not only the Ring anymore. Ellie and Morgan are convinced something is wrong with Chuck. They believe he has returned to the dark side.

However, at the end of the episode Ellie and Morgan were planning on having an intervention with him, but saw Chuck and Hannah having a make out session. While Ellie was happy, Morgan was hurt because he liked Hannah.

Overall Thoughts on the Episode

I am not a big fan of this episode in fact the last time I have to watch this episode would be after rewatch.

As I mentioned through this article, I don’t see Shaw and Sarah really a genuine relationship. It’s a writer’s jolly of destroy two characters. Shaw could of been a great character if they allowed it to grow correctly.

There is no justification for showing Sarah’s disgust and uncomfortable nature through out the mission and later when he is about to touch her do I ever feel the sense Sarah was into Shaw.

Sarah doesn’t escape my vent here either. Once again Sarah is complacent in allowing Chuck to dictate how things go.  She should of voiced her concerns over Chuck being  a spy instead she waves a white flag and lies about seeing Hannah with Chuck because clearly in the next episode it was not the case.

Again, Shaw and Sarah are not in a traditional relationship. Shaw has manipulated Sarah so much by way of the writers that its inexcusable. Shaw didn’t deserve it nor did Sarah.

Next episode we have one of my favorite episodes of all time. Chuck continues on his path towards becoming a real spy, but at what cost does it happen. We shall see why Sarah let herself be swept off her feet by a creepy Shaw. Chuck vs The Fake Name is next.

Until next time….Chuckaholics is your toy, so play

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

262 comments

  1. It’s worth pointing out that Chuck’s primary objective during the rescue was to secure the counteragent ( which he did first ), and then rescue Hannah ( and only after Casey reminded him to go do so.) Also remember that Chuck saw Sarah with Shaw, and paused … you could tell what he was thinking….before he went in to revive Hannah.

    You can also point out that Chuck was oblivious to Hannah’s true ambitions until the mission in the museum control room. He was also a little ticked that Shaw would act as Sarah’s “date” ( as was Sarah ). That’s most likely one of the reasons Chuck succumbed to Hannah’s advance…which he quickly forgot about when he got the chance to get down to the floor and do some real “spy work”. I’m not saying it was OK to kiss Hannah …. but there were things going on in his head that led him to believe Sarah had moved on. Same thing with Sarah ….

    But definitely the absolute worse episode in the entire series. Viewers gave Fedak a chance to fix it right away…they stuck with it until Fake Name, but by the time the Beard came along and Charah were over, they left. You may like Fake Name, Chris, but it compounded the problem.

    • The rescue mission was the worst of the series because of what it entailed. I mean Gary, could two people who love other be totally that oblivious to the other’s actions or half truth responses.

      As I said in the article, of the four Hannah was the only one that had true feelings going on the other three were playing around.

      Sarah still loved Chuck, and couldn’t stand Shaw in this episode for the most part. I look at it like this. Sarah became a pawn in Shaw’s game and his persistence throughout the episode sent Sarah spiraling. My vision here is quite simple she waved her white flag to let Chuck do what he wanted again.

      It just shows inexperience in true relationship situations. It’s why Daniel Zott’s living a lie was perfect when Sarah ran after Chuck at the end of the episode. She could say she was fine with Chuck dating Hannah, but we both know that was a lie especially in the next episode.

      A very creepy episode. What did you think of my sexual harassment take on Shaw’s actions. Does it make sense?

      • All of Shaw and Sarah was sexual harassment…notice Beckman didn’t give Sarah or Shaw a dressing down about THEM being together…another piece of writing that just irks me. This was the absolute low tide episode ….it damaged both Chuck and Sarah so badly. What’s worse is that they try to reconcile it by giving voice to Chuck’s thought process ( in later episodes), but Sarah is left hung out to dry. We could no longer look at Chuck and Sarah the same way…there was no comedy left in what was essentially a comedy series. The show became so schizophrenic with the spy story being one show and the Buy More being a totally different show.

      • The scene that really drove me crazy was how Shaw waited for Casey to leave before he attacked, and poor Sarah was left in Castle with this monster by herself.

        Yes, this and Santa Suit I despise Shaw because of what he does to Sarah. Watching her fall under his trance was why I said Bryce should of been apart of this story.

        Gary, do you think if Matt Bomer didn’t sign on to do White Collar he would of been good for Charah in this season. It almost seem like Charah needed someone to get them back on track.

      • Personally I think it would have been better to have Bryce than Shaw, especially if Hannah wasn’t in the show, as some have suggested. I think Hannah is needed to give balance to Sarah running off with Shaw. If Chuck didn’t bed Hannah, then I think Sarah suffers even more damage when she beds Shaw. If it was Bryce, it would be excusable because there was a history there…just like Chuck and Jill. It doesn’t make it easier to accept the story line…I just don’t see where the outside love interest helped Chuck and Sarah grow as individuals …. that was accomplished in Season 2 with Jill and Bryce, and it made much more sense. The other reason Hannah needs to bring Chuck down a notch is that Prague couldn’t be logically extended to explain Sarah and Shaw …she was well over Prague by then.

        No , this just made Sarah look weak…easily manipulated…. Casey says Chuck falls for every girl that bats her eyelids at him ….. but this is giving credence to the fact that Sarah gets a little moist when ever some hunky spy gets in her personal space too. It doesn’t fit with the master spy who trusts no one…..

      • Sarah sleeping with Bryce again doesn’t work anymore after Sarah said no to him on the beach.

        That would of ruined Sarah’s character if she did. It ruins the beach scene all together. However, I do see your point when it comes to pretty eyelids and hunky spies. It’s too cliche for me. Chuck isn’t bad looking dude. I mean he is no Devon, but you get my point.

        See the thing for me is how do you explain going from hating Shaw to end up sleeping with him by the end of the episode. It doesn’t make sense because humans don’t operate that way in real life. I also don’t understand how Sarah could just fall for that I thought she was a super spy in control of her emotions.

        Seems to me she is just like Chuck and can’t control her own emotions.

      • If you’ve listened to Chuck Vs. The Podcast, this particular episode was reviewed not only by Gray, Liz and Mel, but Mo Ryan ( one of the early TV Critic adopters of Chuck and a big pusher for the Save Chuck campaign ) was on. It was an interesting discussion, because Mo has a well honed sense of what needs to happen in a TV show, etc….she is an expert. But this episode left her stunned. I think Mel was OK…she seemed to think the turnaround was too sudden, but thought Shaw a hunk, so why not !! I certainly trust Mo on this one, she lays it on the line when the Chuck writers screw up. (She was also a critic of the Living Dead scene where Sarah is recounting her affairs with Shaw, but i digress.) A serial like Chuck needs flow, and this just exploded any natural flow the show had. There are rumours the cast knew it wasn’t coming off well while they were filming it, because they really couldn’t figure out what the story was supposed to be saying…. what the characters were supposed to be feeling. It really showed in this episode, even more than the other. Fake Name also bewildered us.

      • I can understand fan’s disdain for Fake Name, but for me what I loved about it was Chuck starting to become comfortable as a spy. He isn’t a finish product by any stretch, but the scene in the bar was one of my favorites. Plus its well documented on how I feel about the dinner scene. I love the scene because we saw for the first time all season how Sarah felt about the whole situation. It also demonstrated her true feelings. Sarah was being replaced professionally and she could live with that.

        However, being replaced personally was a devastating blow that sent Sarah spiraling to Shaw.

        but to stay with the conversation we are having, I have said in the past. The great shows survive a long time because they allow all the characters to live a life on their own. I have two examples for you for what I am talking about.

        Chloe O’Brian became a very important character other than Jack. She helped Jack all the time and by series end was able to talk Jack down. Same thing with Tyrion Lannister the character became a very popular character. now the difference between Chloe and Tyrion is I believe Trion did die in the book, and Game of Throne was supposed to be based off the books.

        Chris Fedak never learned this about Chuck. He wanted to make sure Chuck shined throughout the five years. He did more to destroy Sarah’s character at times, and it was pathetic at times. We have discussed before my thoughts on S5. You can’t spend more time in making sure the bromance is intact over a wife, its not realistic. How is it possible for a husband to allow his wife to just walk without fighting for her. I don’t know too many husbands that would just stand pat.

        He allowed four episode for Morgan to get some of his memories back, but not for Sarah.

        it was pure arrogance on Chris’s part to not allow characters like Sarah or Shaw in taking a life for themselves.

      • However, she replaced Chuck personally as well as Chuck replacing her …. but we don’t really get to see that until the beginning of the next episode. So I don’t think she really liked being replaced professionally either. The whole thing about this episode is, where does that ax fall that causes them to take leave of their senses? It’s so poorly played out, so poorly executed….where does Sarah give up on Chuck to make the play on Shaw ? Where is it that Chuck “tries to tell himself that he doesn’t love” Sarah ??? At what point ?

        Gawdawful writing …..Fedak should never work in TV again….but if he gave up his characters to a respected movie writer, I’d be OK with that ! 😉

  2. “Hannah was a stalker by full definition of the world. She showed up in Burbank like woman on a mission. She didn’t know anything about Sarah or what Chuck did on the side. All Hannah knew was she wanted Chuck.”

    A well considered statement. I totally agree.

    “Bartowski was a willing participant”
    Exactly. In fact, as Chuck was holding Hannah, you could say he positively encouraged it. Which agrees with everything I have said to date about this.

    What a moron.

    “Later in the episode, she will say this kiss was kind of nice. I don’t buy it. This is an expression of feeling uncomfortable.”

    Quite simple.
    Sarah jumped at the chance of working with Chuck again as you said, but she could smell Hannah all over Chuck. Sarah was now getting angry. Angry people do complete turnabouts so they can get their own back – approaching Shaw was revenge.

    “It was enough for Casey to shut off their earwigs. Shaw asked did they turn off their mics. Casey said, “no, I did. Its tough on the ears when listening to them bickering. Shaw has a lot to get use to.”

    This is where the writers crewed up. Shaw is the boss but Casey put him down in one sentence. Casey could have easily done more to manage Shaw. Shaw did not understand Casey so Shaw isolated and sidelined him; but the writers allowed it to happen. Casey could have nailed him.

    “Chuck returned to the control room and was greeted by a very angry Hannah. She asked how could he leave her during her first Nerd Herd assignment. She further would say things between them should be strictly professional. Chuck wasn’t thrilled about hearing that.”

    This was Hannah playing a game. Putting Chuck on the ‘you owe me one’ slot. If Hannah was so worried about the first job, why was she there? Because all she wanted was Chuck, work was a necessary evil to roll out her stalker plans.

    “Sarah’s expression as Chuck went to go find the counter agent.”

    This was the look that said everything about the coming issues right up to the red test. Chuck left Sarah to (possibly) die, he also left her with Shaw who was obviously a sexual predator.

    Chuck was already under the Hannah spell at this time as he saw Hannah as an easy target for a ‘real’ relationship (sex). So in this respect, Chuck was mirroring Shaw and became a sexual predator with his new found spy confidence.

    “There is no justification for showing Sarah’s disgust and uncomfortable nature through out the mission and later when he is about to touch her do I ever feel the sense Sarah was into Shaw.”

    No, She was never into Shaw. Shaw was just someone to vent her angst over Chuck with. Sarah had no one else to turn to, so verbalising her troubles to Shaw was a simple option – sadly, to do this, Shaw wanted to sleep with Sarah. So Shaw got sex and Sarah got the chance to air her feelings.

    Chuck was the real bad guy in this episode.
    Chuck was now wearing a mask.

    This episode was a disaster. It completely killed season 3 to me and it gets worse, so no I am not looking forward to the next few either.

      • yes they all are, which gives Hannah a pass since she was the one with genuine feelings.

        But if we think about it a bit more, its really a mask for Sarah. As Sarah is hiding behind a mask that doesn’t show her true feelings, and the more I see this season the more I realize Sarah’s notion of hiding behind her lies now.

        You both have said she was a master lie, but they say one puts on a mask to hide their ugliness. Sarah’s ugliness is the feeling of being replaced. Shaw took her role has Chuck’s confident and in Fake Name Hannah finished her off by taking her place as his girlfriend.

        The mask and fake name are defensive mechanism she used to shield her true feelings. except she was caught by Shaw in Fake Name.

        Her home was taken from her and not the apartment Chuck was taken from her by Shaw and Hannah. It left Sarah empty in her heart.

      • “You both have said she was a master lie, but they say one puts on a mask to hide their ugliness.”

        Not at all.
        In most high society events. Masks are used to hide behind and not show the nice person. Escapism.
        Like a clown.
        Like a gargoyle on a Cathedral – used to show an ugly side to ward off bad things.

        Chuck was the mask. You will see it and thank me eventually 🙂

        “Sarah’s ugliness is the feeling of being replaced.”
        No. Her fear is the fear of abandonment. Being left out in the cold by the person she loves.

        “It left Sarah empty in her heart.”
        Bereft would be a better description.

      • “I’m pretty sure Chuck, Sarah AND Shaw are all wearing a mask…..”

        Shaw no, he was a sexual predator from the beginning. He was out to weaponise Chuck from the beginning. Shaw was Shaw, no mask.

        Sarah was struggling with wanting to return to Chuck but she was being ignored by Chuck. In real life, Chuck could have got her back here …

        Especially after the harassment and the not so nice questions from Shaw. She wanted Chuck at that moment as a boyfriend.

        And this is where the writers really screwed Sarah:

        They stuck her on a desert island surround by Sharks, and in the next episode she gets a tropical typhoon thrown in for good measure.

        Chuck had the mask.

        In my part of the world you would say, Chuck was a ‘bas*ard’; and deserved to lose Sarah for good; all because he wanted the pushover Hannah presented. tut tut ..

        We men should hang our heads in shame.

      • Sean
        “Sarah was struggling with wanting to return to Chuck but she was being ignored by Chuck.”

        Are you watching the same show over in the UK that we had here?

        There would have been nothing wrong with a, ” Chuck…can we talk ?” somewhere along the line. Sarah made it clear that they would be “friends” …that was the line in the sand. Chuck had no reason to think he should cross that line until he became a spy …. i.e., he could prove himself worthy of Agent Walker’s “test. He never ignored Sarah…they interacted almost every day. She gave no sign that there would ever be a thaw.

      • Gary,

        We both know that wasn’t what Sarah wanted for Chuck. Did she speak up no, and with Shaw in town now that was an unlikely conversation because the pitbull was living there.

      • Forget all the other episodes for a minute.

        Sarah is going to die – or so she thinks. She is stuck with the man from Hell. A guy who just wants to jump in bed with her and the guy she loves is not looking at her pleading with him.

        She wants to spend the final moments of her life with Chuck regardless of where they are. It is a replay of the first kiss.

        Stuck in that room, she wants Chuck to break the glass and be with her. Nothing else matters – a cure does not matter, just being with Chuck matters.

        So as I said, he should have broken them out and taken them to the museum himself. I mean, Chuck never returned to Castle any way, so technically speaking, he did leave Sarah to die.

      • Sean,

        “Chuck never returned to Castle any way, so technically speaking, he did leave Sarah to die”

        That is a little harsh Sean, he didn’t leave her to die. As much as I love Sarah, and you know I do. Chuck isn’t that selfish to do that

      • “That is a little harsh Sean, he didn’t leave her to die. As much as I love Sarah, and you know I do. Chuck isn’t that selfish to do that”

        But it is the truth.
        He embarked on a plan without thinking it through; as a result, he left her to die.

        Chuck’s plan failed; well I don;t think he had a plan beyond getting a vile of medicine. And you don;t leave people based on such a pathetic plan. You take them with you as he had no idea how long it would take to get back to castle never mind if he could.

        You take the horse to the water.

        It’s like this. If someone has an accident and you think the ambulance will be late – you get them in your car and drive them to hospital. You don;t wait, hoping the ambulance will beat the traffic.

        Hang on love, I will run to the hospital to get the doctor. You stay there and bleed to death.

        Chuck left her to die.

      • “Are you watching the same show over in the UK that we had here?”

        Can you not see the look on Sarah’s face being stuck in a room with Shaw? Golly, that look said it all, it said more than that, it said ‘I am begging you Chuck, look at me, I am your Sarah’.

        Meanwhile, Chuck is overdosing on thoughts of an easy life with Hannah. Swapping a spy for a stalker.

        Chuck makes me feel ashamed in this and the next episodes.

      • Sean,

        “Meanwhile, Chuck is overdosing on thoughts of an easy life with Hannah. Swapping a spy for a stalker.”

        I disagree with you here, It was Chuck nature to be a hero. He was called upon to save the day. S1 and S2 Chuck would of done the same here. Chuck had no choice but to get the counter agent. However, it still doesn’t mean Sarah didn’t have that expression on her face of don’t leave me.

        but Chuck had a job to do. It had nothing to do with Hannah sorry. He went to get the agent to save Shaw and Sarah.

      • “but Chuck had a job to do. It had nothing to do with Hannah sorry. He went to get the agent to save Shaw and Sarah.”

        As I said, he failed to save Sarah.
        That should have been his priority.

        So when Sarah and Chuck get married and have kids. And the oldest child says, ‘where’s mom’. Chuck replies, sorry son, the mission required me to save a civilian first.

      • see now we have a dispute, and our first one.

        How can you say it was wrong for Chuck to disobey an order of responsibility a, but then turn around and say Sarah was wrong for following her commanders orders, and you have said in the past that Sarah should of voiced her displeasure in Chuck becoming a spy.

        ?????

      • Because this is life and death.
        No semantics here, you just gotta jumped in head first and save your loved ones. Consequences do not matter here.

        Life and death decisions are something unique and Chuck failed.
        This was his big moment and he failed his test.

        He acted like a nerd. Nothing more and nothing less.

      • It’s not all she knew !! She knew what it was like at her mother’s place and her grandmother’s place.

        My point is, Chris…she had choices. Just because she always made the wrong choice ( or the choices she made turned out badly ) doesn’t take away that fact. Why did she chose her father over her mother ? We don’t know, but she ALWAYS had the choice to go back. That’s the big thing …she had CHOICES of how she was to be brought up ( and that normally wouldn’t have been afforded to her in REAL life…she’d go to her mother 99.99% of the time). She could have gone to soccer and had friends, etc. etc. But her choices dictated the type of life she was going to have …..

        Chuck didn’t have a choice between his mother or his father. His mother left, and his father wasn’t there ( “He wasn’t a great father, but he was a great man…..” ) And Chuck had to live with the uncertainty of why they left..and where they were …he never had a choice to pick up and just go talk to them. Ellie and Morgan were all that were left, and that’s because of Chuck’s basic personality…he kept his friends and family close because of an innate value system …they were important. Chuck could have gone off the rails…after his father left, he’s be essentially alone with Ellie at college. And he chose the right path…keep his friends close, listen to Ellie ( and if you have older sisters, you know it’s not easy listening to them ), continue your education, etc. Thank god he didn’t listen to Morgan or he would have been at the Buy More right out of high school ….Morgan never wanted to grow up…and No way… Morgan was an idiot until he came back in Season 3…they changed him…thank goodness. But he wasn’t a better spy…he was just too stupid to realize the real dangers out there… Morgan thought he was in a video game or a spy show !!! 😉 Reset, or play again.

        So, yeah…Sarah lived a tough life based on her choices. And she was a woman when she chose to join the CIA. We’re not sure her other choice was jail …. Graham offered her “protection” like he was protecting her father. She could have taken her chances with jail ….juvie…forced into cons by her criminal father…… she’s probably only get community service anyway.Or he could have fed her to the wolves with all the “wrong people” that her father conned. Now THAT’S free will !

        And the money in Family Volkoff was for if he ever got arrested again. Sure she was caught in the middle between two parents…tough place to be, as she says. But just because she kept making bad decisions doesn’t mean that she didn’t have choices….you’re just making up excuses for her. Her choices all along determined her life path, just as Chuck’s did. As I recall, neither one of them were particularly happy with where they ended up…BEFORE they met one another.

      • “Why did she chose her father over her mother ?”
        Speculation? Where was her mother? Why did she live with granny?

        “We don’t know, but she ALWAYS had the choice to go back. ”
        To Grandma

        “you’re just making up excuses for her.”
        You are doing the same for Chuck really.

      • Sarah was 18 years old when the CIA caught up to her father and arrested him to “protect” him. Graham offered to protect Sarah too…she thought by arresting her too. So the choice may have been to join the CIA or fend for herself against all the people her dad crossed. 18 years old is not a minor…sorry. Sarah had a choice, and as an adult she has to live with that choice.

        Sarah was not only conning as a young child, she was conning all the way up to 18 years old. Even kids know what’s right and wrong ….moving all the time, changing your name ….you guys treat her as though she’s stupid….she knew what was going on. Chris…you’re they master of Sarah’s expressions. Tell me…what was her expression when her dad said to her, ” Is that what you think I am…a two bit thief ? I’ve always said, a thief has to sneak out of town but a good con man…..” Did she look bitter ? Angry ? Disappointed in reliving her grifter past ?? Don’t think so …she smiled about the con games she was involved in.

        Her mother and father were in a tug of war with her no doubt. But her mother seemed to lose the battle. She said…all she wanted for Sarah was a normal life, but Sarah seemed to prefer the adventure of living with her dad. I mean…what was the life Sarah craved all 5 seasons ??? the life her mother lived…she always talked about , “What if she had CHOSEN a different path…and lived a normal life. She wanted to live in the house with the red door and the white picket fence …her mother’s house. Her mother regretted that Sarah didn’t chose to live with her and live a normal life. And speaking of her mother, Sarah was on the phone with her mother before rescuing the baby. Obviously her and her mother still conversed, so Sarah DID have someone to talk to …most importantly, her mother. She had support there.

        “Chuck had $300,000” …..speculative at best. How do you know he wasn’t on scholarship? Even if he wasn’t, his dad could have set it up that way…lord knows he had enough money to build an underground bunker and build all the most advanced technology, so giving him a “scholarship” to Stanford and paying Bryce to keep an eye on him aren’t out of the question either. But what good did all that “money” do him….he ended up booted out and back living with his sister. His best friend thought that was great because they could be Peter Pans forever.

      • “How do you know he wasn’t on scholarship?”

        Speculation is rife in many of the comments made, so I added this one.

        $60K fees and around $40K to cover his living expenses. Over 3 years, that sounds like $300K.

        The truth is, both Chuck and Sarah are now adults who should know better. So regardless of their alternative backgrounds, in this episode, Chuck left Sarah to die – which usurps everything about a background history anyhow:

        It was wrong of Chuck to leave her with Shaw after she begged him not to.

      • Sean,

        “It was wrong of Chuck to leave her with Shaw after she begged him not to.”

        But she didn’t …that’s speculation too. She looked at him with regret, sadness, confusion, longing, understanding, trust, _____ (fill in the blank). She even told Shaw that Chuck would come through for her (,”Us” ). Pretty hard to make a cogent argument when you guys make up shite…. Chuck had one hour to get the counteragent… within 10 minutes the poison was weakening them….pretty hard to get the counteragent if Chuck is weakened as well. It was a solid plan …a race against time…a gamble…yes a gamble, but the only workable solution.

        Sarah was acting like such a PITA, she probably deserved what was happening to her anyway. 😉

      • Come on guys lets take a chill pill.

        What we are talking about is probably what happen during creative meetings and what I find interesting is all three of us see each character differently and you are right we are talking nonsense but in the end I enjoy verbal joisting with you 2

        Season 3 was Fedak it by Chris

      • “She looked at him with regret, sadness, confusion, longing, understanding, trust,”

        In my book that is begging for me to not leave her alone.
        If that was my g/f, I would have moved the earth to get her to the museum myself.

        “She even told Shaw that Chuck would come through for her ”
        So. He left her. Bad times. Bad move.

        Sadly, Chuck did not come through for her …
        Shaw did.

        “pretty hard to get the counteragent if Chuck is weakened as well”
        The place is full of gas masks.

        “but the only workable solution.”
        The only one the writers gave us; as a result, the story line was busted.

        “Sarah was acting like such a PITA, she probably deserved what was happening to her anyway.”

        Very harsh, but based on what you have said, it would seem that you are very biased towards the character of Chuck. The trick is, in every episode you need to remain neutral. Otherwise we might as well say:

        Chuck is perfect. Sarah is not good enough for him.

        Chuck is perfect. Everything he does is valid, excellent and well planned. He will be/is a perfect spy and no further character growth is required because Chuck is perfect in everything he does. So Sarah will never be good enough for him.

        And finally:
        Chuck is perfect, why not let Chuck have several g/fs at the same time which is only fair – as Chuck is a super hero.

        So in fact, Sarah should never have bothered in the first place and burned him back in season 2 rather than save his ass.

        I am not sold.

        Chuck left her to die this time.

        So I would say, Chuck is not good enough for Sarah. Chuck has a lot to learn. Fortunately, the writers gave him time. In real life the show would have been over now (as soon as Chuck dotes over Hannah and takes her home) both Sarah and Chuck would have split up and led separate lives.

      • Naw..just havin’ fun !!! Someone has to try to bring some balance to the Sarah love-in. I just tire of the constant “Chuck had the world handed to him on a silver platter” vs ” Sarah had such a crappy life…” talk. Neither one of them ended up where they wanted to be BECAUSE of their upbringing. They were both damaged individuals, with different problems in their lives. They tended to balance each other out, but you can’t take one episode out of context. Chuck’s actions in Mask are a consequence of the previous experiences in previous episodes INCLUDING telling Sarah he did it all for her and he loved her….and then getting a very tepid response. Chuck was a first class a-hole in this episode because he gave up on Sarah…but in a way…Sarah deserved it. If we’ve learned anything in 3 seasons, it’s that Chuck, like 99.9% of the male population, can’t read a woman’s expressions. It’s even worse when you can’t even SEE a woman’s expressions, and made exponentially worse when the woman verbally says the total opposite of what she’s saying with her expressions.

        Let’s face it… Sarah has been a major pain with never ever talking to Chuck. She now sees everything in the most negative light possible, and she starts spiraling. Chuck doesn’t have a clue what he’s supposed to do or say, he won’t approach her to talk it out ( the anti-Chuck move), and decides to keep working towards becoming a spy, thinking that will solve all his problems. He’s adrift without anyone to guide him … every one of his constant support system is either out of the loop or incapable of talking with him, so he keeps digging himself deeper into the dark hole. Then the writers are kind enough to introduce 2 sharks into the bloody water to chew the 2 protagonists to pieces… after they’ve already bloodied one another and damaged the show. Trying to play one off as being worse than the other ?? I don’t buy it …. even if Casey was involved to try to fix things, it’s a hard sell.

      • Final words (all in good voice).

        I have watched the entire series a many times now.
        In my initial viewing I was all for Chuck the character until we got here. I was shocked by his behaviour. So by the second and third viewing of the series I began to prefer Casey and Sarah and even Morgan. Why? Because of this scene and what was to follow.

        As I have mentioned before, the writers rubbished Chuck’s character for me here. Nothing he did made sense and everything was reactionary – which re-wrote the hard work from previous seasons.

        Yes, Chuck picked himself up after Paris and in Season 4 and yet this small arc in mid Season 3 kills me every time.

        You don’t leave your loved ones to die.
        You don’t dote over some stalker while your g/f is also in recovery.
        You don’t go and sleep with the stalker and expect your g/f will be Ok with it.
        You don’t bring her home to eat with the family knowing how important that is, especially in full view of CCTV cameras.

        Chuck, you moron, you don’t do it.

        And no, blaming your past is not a good enough reason.

        Chuck, if you love someone, you remain consistent, always be there for them, and never chase another girl. You do not allow any stalker to sit at the table of your family, you make them earn that right.

        Chuck, if you want to be a spy, act like one 24 hours a day and stay away from stalkers. They can kill you. Hell, Hannah could have been another Jill (Fulcrum plant) and she could have killed him.

        Grow-up Chuck and if you wanna be a super hero, at least ‘act’ like one.
        Chuck was a typical guy you could argue, but not my kind of typical guy. Chuck was to open to suggestion and not really a guy with iron.

        As we will soon see.
        Chuck is still to ‘boyish’ at this stage in the show to make any reasonable commitment to either Sarah, the CIA or even Hannah. Hell, he couldn’t even make a commitment to Buy More. As Casey hints, at this stage, Chuck is yet to prove he is a real man in a mans world.

        Harsh I know, but in reality, no one gives you an easy time. You have one chance to make the right decision every time, on this occasion Chuck blew it (beyond the point of no return really).

        Chuck left Sarah to die and true to course, his plan failed. Followed by subsequently sleeping with a stalker and dropping the ball by bringing her home. Home run! Game set and match.

        😉

      • “The trick is, in every episode you need to remain neutral”

        Wow…. coffee almost came shooting out of my nose with this line!!!

        Well done…..Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha !!!!!

      • “Wow…. coffee almost came shooting out of my nose with this line”

        Even at this distance scenes like that always put a smile on faces.

      • People always have asked me what would I have done differently with this season. The truth is the show created a character like Daniel Shaw that would of worked on paper, but execution of the character was poorly done.

        I love the character because I always have love stories that have a strong villain because it makes the hero work harders. Like Dennis hopper in the move Speed. we knew Keau was going to make the save, but he had to work for it.

        The same can be said for Bruce Willis, as John McClane, the two bad guys from Die Hard one and Two were intense, evil and gave the possibility of the bad guy winning. It’s what annoyed me about the show Friends. Every situation isn’t a easy road. Those are the most realistic works possible.

        The reason I rank Sarah and Orion ahead of Chuck in my list of characters has to do with how the writers make him this whiny buffon at times. the moping around until he gets what he wants can get annoying as I said the same guy that I just describe was the same guy who can lure Alexei Volkoff out of hiding using his head not the Intersect.

        After Chuck became Chuck 2.0, he became so overly dependent on the Intersect it ruined his true talents. Technical savvy with the ability to think on his feet. great traits to have as a spy. Chuck was a better spy then Shaw because he knew when to shoot and when to talk the mark down. It’s why Bryce sent Chuck the Intersect. as Uncle Ben said, With great power comes great responsibility. Shaw could of been that way. He could of used TB to find out why Eve was killed and than turn. No, the writers had to make this character into someone everyone hated because of the delivery of that story.

        Yvonne’s character took the most abuse by the writers at this point look at what Sarah went through up to this point and this all has to do with Chris Fedak not Josh Schwartz.

        After two years of courting Sarah, she comes around and is ready to take the chance on her feelings. She watched her first love dead on the ground, and Chuck perform Kung Fu with no previous training. Yes, she suggested to run, but that wasn’t going to work because on three weeks ago Beckman sent Casey after them, and will do so again in Honeymooners.

        Of all the men in her life she never thought Chuck would leave her at the alter let’s just call it that because Gary hates it when I say Chuck broke her heart, but he didn’t break her spirit. By Operation Awesome. Chuck and Sarah were on the road to recover. Enter Shaw.

        I agree now with Sean’s assessment on Shaw using the team as pawns in his game to catch Eve’s killer and get revenge on the those responsible. Enter Hannah. Chuck meets this woman on the airplane who turned up in Burbank on his invitation by the way guys. He asked her to come to burbank.

        Hannah broke Sarah’s spirits when she ate at Sarah’s table, home and with her family which she claimed as hers at the end of Marlin. She not only lost her family, boyfriend and home. Hannah slept in Sarah’s bed, who wanted that intimacy with Chuck.

        Did she say so no but that’s not how they wrote up Sarah Walker. She gave hints into what she wants. Shaw became a predator in Mask in the sense he worked an angle to get Chuck to function as Chuck 2.0 and he succeeded in fake name with the alias.

        Shaw could of been a great character but they dropped the ball and destroyed Sarah and the worse was coming for Sarah. Shaw started the destruction and Quinn finished her off. Chris Fedak Started the destruction of Sarah Walker in S3 and killed her in S5. Not a great way to reward the work of Yvonne or Brandon Routh

      • But Chris Fedak had to make sure Morgan and Chuck were intact by Chuck vs Goodbye, but everyone knows a man’s wife takes precedence over your best friend because his wife essentially is his best friend not in Chris Fedak’s mind

      • “But Chris Fedak had to make sure Morgan and Chuck were intact by Chuck vs Goodbye”

        That still could have been achieved and Sarah could have become the bridge.

      • “the same guy that I just describe was the same guy who can lure Alexei Volkoff out of hiding using his head not the Intersect.”

        Excellent point. Chuck in this instance is the Chuck you want to see more of. Chuck the super hero. Unfortunately, moments like this were very short. Almost too quick for the audience to absorb and cheer.

        I mean, that whole plan just appeared, went in to play, and by the time you realised it was a great plan. It was over and Chuck was back to his usual self.

        “After Chuck became Chuck 2.0, he became so overly dependent on the Intersect it ruined his true talents. Technical savvy with the ability to think on his feet. great traits to have as a spy. ”

        Agreed, Life became too easy for him.
        The writers failed in showing how he could capitalise on the new intersect and really become Chuck the superman.

        “Chuck was a better spy then Shaw ”
        Chuck was a better human being all round; and this is why Sarah fell for him.

        The importance of Shaw’s wife was never really answered. We need to assume she was a spy, but how can this be when the spy mantra throughout the entire show was that spies never fall in love.

        This underlying theme kept Sarah and Chuck apart but then we get Shaw the super spy who was married to a spy. Another tale/angle missed.

        “Yvonne’s character took the most abuse by the writers at this point look at what Sarah went through up to this point and this all has to do with Chris Fedak not Josh Schwartz.”

        Agreed.

        “By Operation Awesome. Chuck and Sarah were on the road to recover.”
        Agreed, so why did the writers ruin it. They could have spent some real time developing Chuck into the man who would take out Volkov.

        “Did she say so no but that’s not how they wrote up Sarah Walker. ”
        Agreed. The restrictions on her character to date never allowed her to suddenly complain. Now would it not have been better if they allowed her to say something to Chuck. The intensity of that would have won a bigger audience and given more dynamics to Shaw.

        “Shaw could of been a great character but they dropped the ball and destroyed Sarah and the worse was coming for Sarah. Shaw started the destruction and Quinn finished her off. Chris Fedak Started the destruction of Sarah Walker in S3 and killed her in S5. Not a great way to reward the work of Yvonne or Brandon Routh”

        Totally agreed.

      • Hey Chris…I’m not disputing any of that … the writing was bad…plain and simple. It’s too bad Schwartz couldn’t talk Fedak out of that storyline, but it is what it is.

        And just to clarify why I don’t think Chuck broke Sarah’s heart in Prague. You have to put your heart out there for it to be broken. Truth lies in the heart …. the move in Prague wasn’t done with her heart, it was done with her head. She lied in order to manipulate Chuck into running. She had VERY valid reasons for doing so, but still, the fact is she lied.

        I have no problem with saying Chuck hurt her badly in Prague, but it was because Sarah lost control of him, or ( for the 1st time ever ) didn’t get her way with a man, or who knows. But Sarah always seemed to get very melancholy when she was “heartbroken”. After Prague, she was angry, so I’m just assuming she felt something different than heartache. ( and realize…it is only an assumption.)

      • “She lied”

        Can we move on from Prague. They patched that up at this point.
        Sarah lied in Prague, Chuck lied about the intersect plans. Sarah lied here and Chuck lied there … Chuck kept his mom a secret etc …

        It happens.

      • I’m not sure the Sarah character suffered as much character assassination in S3 as Chuck’s. If you listen to the Twitter chatter, Chuck takes the fall for the whole breakup…right through to the end. Sarah gets sympathy due to both Prague and Hannah and for coming back at the end and taking him back. I think those of us who have seen it a number of times realize Sarah’s part in it, but the casual viewer, or first time viewer will see Chuck as the bad guy here.

      • “I’m not sure the Sarah character suffered as much character assassination in S3 as Chuck’s.”

        In essence I agree but there are two ways of seeing this:

        1] On the whole, Season 3 (until American Hero) pretty much wipes out Chuck as a the character we enjoy. So yes, the writers completely wiped Chuck out. Chuck is morally corrupted in early season 3. He has fallen victim to vanity and becomes guilty of committing some of the seven deadly sins: Envy, Lust, Sloth and Pride.

        So yes, I agree.

        Envy of the things that were not possible to him (without effort) before intersect 2.0 – i.e. including Hannah in an assignment (a civilian). Ruining his relationship with Morgan and becoming more self-centred.

        Lust after Hannah because she presents herself as an easy target.

        Sloth due to his inability to learn and grow with intersect 2.0. Chuck did a great job of adapting intersect 1.0, but this all stopped as soon as he could perform kung-fu. Chuck got lazy not only with this, but also in his pursuit of Sarah. His character should have spent time learning how to use its powers for the betterment of everyone, not just think he can do things without considering risk assessments – and for this reason he leaves Sarah to die.

        Pride, well that is simple ….

        Chuck feel for Shaw’s attempt to make a spy and to disregard the advice of Sarah (you may see her advice as self-centred but technically she was right, Chuck is not ready to be a spy). Chuck’s relationship with Hannah was also based on pride. His lack of ambition with Sarah was due to pride.

        Finally, Chuck’s belief that he would save Sarah and Shaw was also based on Envy, Lust, Sloth and Pride. There was no risk assessment to his actions, he just acted on the belief that he knew he was right – and as a result, a false belief in himself nearly led to the death of Sarah and ultimately, his subsequent fall from grace.

        And as well know, pride comes before a fall.
        And so he falls.

        2] In terms of the on-screen events. Sarah’s character is dragged through the bushes and her credibility as the super spy is totally undermined. In fact she becomes a shadow of her former self. So essentially, her character is also assassinated.

        However, Sarah is also seen as the main traitor in the love break up because of her mis-alignment with Shaw. Chuck gets away with it because everyone feels for Hannah, as Sarah says, ‘she is a lovely girl’ and she was ‘too hard on her’.

        In all honesty, Sarah is the one who is dumped in favour of Hannah (and this happens due to the weakness now pervasive in Chucks every move). Many guys also ‘fancy’ the girl who plays Hannah, so on top of this, Chuck’s affair with Hannah is perceived to be acceptable.

        Sarah’s character in early season 3 was victimised by the weaknesses now shown in Chuck’s character. So yes, Sarah was assassinated, but not by the writers (remember, Chuck is the shows lead character so he sets the pace):

        Sarah was assassinated by Chuck who in turn was assassinated by the writers.

      • “In terms of the on-screen events. Sarah’s character is dragged through the bushes and her credibility as the super spy is totally undermined. In fact she becomes a shadow of her former self. ”

        I think intent watchers of the show see this, but first time viewers or those who see it as a casual form of entertainment, won’t see this. Sarah’s sad faces draw you to the woman rather than the spy, and she will evoke massive amounts of sympathy as the woman scorned. Then, of course, you have the hotness factor still, which blinds guys to any faults or weaknesses she has. Sarah really isn’t a spy in Season 3 ….other than Angel de la Muerta, we really don’t see her kick anyone’s butt. She gets to do what she does best….put on the various faces of sadness, concern, confusion and longing. The audience laps it up and feel sorry for her the entire arc.

        If they really wanted to assassinate her, they would have also done her in as a woman in love. Make her the initiator of an affair with Shaw, either before Hannah and Chuck get together, or even more so, leave Hannah out of the story. Let her leave Chuck to die on some mission and not show she cares. That is the Sarah we see at the end of S5…she’s not a pretty picture. She’s the same cold-blooded assassin she is in Phase 3, but now Chuck and family are the target. She’s not a very sympathetic figure there, even though we know who she can be.

      • “Sarah really isn’t a spy in Season 3”

        I agree. Can’t disagree with that at all.

        But as I said, it is because of the domino effect at play.

        The writers assassinate Chuck who in turn victimises Sarah. Male viewers will pick this up, but many more had their head turned by Hannah. So Chuck get’s a pass and they just see a weak Sarah (which does not benefit new viewers to the show and alienates previous season viewers).

        This is why I keep saying Hannah was so dangerous to Chuck.

        If Hannah was removed from Season 3. All the characters would have been better for it, more screen time for more missions stuff and as a result, the show would have been more enjoyable and less heartache.

        The writers could have chosen a better way to stall ‘a pending honeymooners’ than introducing Hannah. And we only got honeymooners because of Hannah.

      • Guys,

        You realize that after S3 “Fedak” became a verb.

        It applies to the finale as well.

        Prague is a mess because the entire season rest on your interpretation of it. For me, Chuck became just like every other man in Sarah’s life at the train station, which requires Chuck to be a character I’ve never met.

        And yes, the Sarah character was poorly served by S3. To me that’s likely because YS turned Sarah Walker into someone TPTB never wanted.

      • “Chuck became just like every other man in Sarah’s life at the train station”

        Good point.

        “YS turned Sarah Walker into someone TPTB never wanted”

        Based on the script, the writers gave her no option. Season 3 was not a logical progression from Season 2. In reality. Season 3 (if it had to happen) should have come in Season 4. Season 4 should have been Season 5. Then we could have ended season 5 with a marriage rather than what we got; and we would be happier all around.

        Based on that Season 3 should have extended the relationship in Season 2 and brought the characters forward more logically. And yes, they still could have given Chuck intersect 2.0.

      • “YS turned Sarah Walker into someone TPTB never wanted”

        If this is true, then there was obviously a lack of communication between the writers and the director. I cannot see that happening, so I still think they wanted Sarah ‘as is’ (expressions and all – they even wrote the words for her) but whatever they were doing with Mr Chuck B, they failed miserably.

      • Agree with that statement. They had to fundamentally change the characters to make S3 even happen, starting with Chuck clamming up in Prague, rather than displaying the verbal diarrhea he usually had when discussing emotional decisions.

      • “Male viewers will pick this up, but many more had their head turned by Hannah. So Chuck get’s a pass and they just see a weak Sarah (which does not benefit new viewers to the show and alienates previous season viewers).”

        This isn’t the CW on Twitter, from what I’ve read…..of course, most of what I’ve read is from Netflix viewers who were late to the show ( like myself). There seemed to be a lot more chatter when it was first put on and was one of the most popular shows on Netflix, but there is still quite a bit going on there even now. Most people slag Chuck pretty good for the whole arc …don’t know if I’ve even seen a tweet that put any of the onus on Sarah. So unless the non-tweeting world sees the show differently than the tweeting world, this perhaps doesn’t hold up. To be fair, those of us who have watched it numerous times feel ( more or less ) as you do.

        As for YJS changing the character, I don’t really know. Somewhere I saw an interview, and she looked pretty disappointed with the whole love trapezoid angle… almost like she was embarrassed to talk about it. Someone else pointed out that the cast knew the storyline wasn’t working while they were shooting, and I think Schwartz had to go on Twitter or Facebook and calm the masses after Fake Name, saying that the story would soon be told and it would all work out. He begged people to hang in there with the show. If that isn’t a sign of how inane the arc was, I don’t know what is……

      • I don’t think YS “changed” the character. I think YS’s depiction of the character starting with the pilot enamoured Sarah to the fandom in a way TPTB never intended (or wanted). Let’s face it, Sarah was a bigger fan favorite than Chuck (in most cases).

        So although the writer’s treatment of Sarah in S3 might make sense to the (socially and morally inept) people of Hollywood, it did mot sit well with the fans. The fact that Sarah became whatever the plot required in S3 instead of a character who thinks for herself, shows that the writers considered her to be an extremely secondary character to TPTB.

        This tone deafness towards Sarah is clearly visible in the showrunners interviews where they are baffled as to why Phase 3 was so well received by the fans.

      • Sarah’s secondary stature on the show was clearly visible on S3 because Sarah had no real story. It was all about Chuck.

        The same applies to the finale, especially the beach scene.

      • “It was all about Chuck.”

        Agreed, but I would push it further by saying that Season 3 was all about Chuck even more so than the spy missions. Given Chuck’s predilection for being totally off-chuck (not the chuck we recognise) in this period you even started to forget what the missions were about.

        The missions became secondary to Chuck’s search for Chuck.

        So yes, Sarah, Casey, Morgan and everyone disappeared. Or as Sarah correctly said, ‘Chuck is disappearing’.

        Again, Sarah was right.

        In fact, looking at the sub-text, some of Sarah’s lines were a great running commentary on the state of the show. They were so good, you could say that Sarah was looking at the show from the point of the audience.

      • Guys,

        It’s hard to fathom Chuck not coming out on top. After all his name is the show’s title. However, the balant disregard of how your fan base is receiving each character makes producers/creative and executives to consider making a character shine. ER did it for George Clooney. Greg’s Anatomy did it for Katherine Heigl at some point during the airing of a show the other character take a life on their own.

        Chris Fedak’s motivation and was always the motivation was to make sure Chuck came out on top, and did he really? he let his wife walk away and by some miracle a kiss was going to fix everything. Some people criticize the way Dexter ended, but I beg to differ at least there was closure. We saw Dex alive and living with the promise he wanted. i thought he should of went with Hannah and his son but its fine with me.

        Sarah Walker’s character was the driving force in watching the series. Yvonne’s natural emotions, beauty and the girl next door appeal made men want her and women to idolize her for being a strong female role. despite of this Chris Fedak still didn’t want Sarah to be in the front with Chuck beside her Husband. It’s sad because maybe if he got past his own arrogance maybe the series takes off and we have a 6th season or movie underway.

        When I watched the series the first time, I remember thinking Chuck act like a buffoon most of the time, which made me fall in love with Sarah and love Casey more because of it. I grew attached to Bryce and by the time Shaw joined the show I was like finally someone thats not caring if Chuck has a woe is me moment. I use to scream at the TV shut up Chuck and let Sarah speak. Ellie gives me the same feeling. I scream at the tv and say because he doesn’t have to tell you anything Ellie. Its fustrating because Chuck did amazing things, but few and far between. Like shaw said One moment he is bond the next Jerry lewis

      • I never got into Dexter. Saw episode 1 and thought a story about a murderer was a bit too outlandish for me. I remember ER and the rise of Clooney. I am more in favour of ‘The Wire’ or ‘BSG’.

        “Sarah Walker’s character was the driving force in watching the series. ”

        She was, but this was due to the weaknesses or lapses in Chuck’s character. Sadly, Chuck did not know how to cry and that may have helped him.

        Fedak did not realise the main audience were guys. Moron.

        “It’s sad because maybe if he got past his own arrogance maybe the series takes off and we have a 6th season or movie underway.”

        Very true. Sarah’s character should have used to far more effect in promoting Chuck to be the super hero spy. Not some stupid red test spy. Look at James Bond – they use girls to promote 007 and it works every time. With Sarah and Chuck working together but showing Chuck as the super hero then they could have got series 7, 8 and 9.

        “Like shaw said One moment he is bond the next Jerry lewis”
        Everyone wanted Chuck to win, but the writers never gave him the full deck of cards. There was no logical progression in his character. He took two steps forward and 3 steps back.

        However, I must admit I did like Season 4 and hold it in the same regard as Season 1 and 2. In Season 4 we actually got the Chuck we needed to see in Season 3.

        Season 5, making Morgan the intersect was too far for me and killing Sarah off was a travesty.

      • My sentiments exactly Sheperd,

        If we go through each season there was the two steps forward an four steps back. They share an amazing kiss and don’t even talk about the kiss until two episodes later. They bring Bryce back who by the way was shot in the heart. There is no coming back from that I don’t care what scientific breakthrough Chuck could come up with. S2 had her fired, threatened bunkered and even the cIA put a hit on him. Mauser situation brought us knowledge on the depths this woman would go to keep Chuck in her life damn the risks.

        It’s why people don’t like S3 Sarah became voiceless and lost many one on one fights. not until Tic Tac did she get her patent Jab back. Did you ever see her give a baddie her cresent kick she like to give. no, Angie Harmon owned her in OA, Shaw was able to manipulate her and Hannah broke her spirits. BY the time Final exam came it was like a whole year of crap for Sarah to deal with with the icing on the cake “Chuck shot the mole.” I know she should of believe him, but how could she it was like I wrote in Mauser vs the Red Test.

        Chuck didn’t hear what Mauser said to Sarah, and she didn’t see Casey killed the mole. the constant recycle of the storylines were annoying. Chuck gets to sleep with two women, but Chuck see Sarah kiss Bryce and Cole and he loses his cool. Shaw is different situation because the relationship was in shambles at that time.

        Sarah had to hear a baddie tell her he would kill him if she pursued any further. It only brought out the best Sarah Walker episode and my personal favorite of the entire series when I saw Rampage Sarah storm Thailand to rescue Chuck, I didn’t need a wedding scene to know the two were destine together. We needed to see on screen at what lengths Sarah would go to keep Chuck in her life. Death and kidnapping threats of bunkering and women all stood in Sarah’s way of living the life she wanted with Chuck and when that failed.

        Fedak decides to take a pencil and erase her mind. Great Job

      • “I know she should of believe him, but how could she it was like I wrote in Mauser vs the Red Test.”

        I think she wanted to believe him if you look at the restaurant scene quite closely. It is in her facial expression, but the writers did not give her any words and ruined the scene by crashing Shaw through the window.

        American Hero and The Other Guy saved the entire Season from becoming the titanic; but again, they still kept a tight leash on Sarah’s character. You just felt that the writers were trying to restore the show, but again they needed to push the button and really hit home. I liked them, but they needed more fanfare to make Chuck the SUPER HERO. Instead, he got a pat on the back and sent back to work.

        Ignore the honeymoon which is something everyone needed.

        I think Chuck Versus the Tooth, Chuck Versus the Living Dead and Chuck Versus the Subway probably helped Season 3 climb out of the hole it dug and started to re-create a real Chuck story. It also restored some of my faith back in Chuck again. Reviewing those should be fun again.

        “Fedak decides to take a pencil and erase her mind. Great Job”

        I have a sense that Fedak was jealous of Sarah’s presence. He wanted James Bond without the Bond Girls, Jason Bourne without his girlfriend. Maybe that’s an article to discus. Fedak versus Sarah Walker.

        If he wanted to be mean, he could have made Sarah pregnant and she loses the baby due to some bad guy or Morgan gets shot. That would have been a better end (if that sounds right) as at least the main protagonists would have a future.

      • That’s just vicious there Sean,

        Can’t kill the Grimes, i was never interested in wondering if they have kids or not being married assure the possibility if there was never medical reasons.

        it’s funny how in Couch Lock, how they explained Casey’s overdosing from previous gasings and truth serums. Wouldn’t it be the same for Sarah and trouble getting pregs.?

      • Essentially, Sean when you shoot someone there is good chance they get killed.

        Grimes’s body would be able to take a shot from a Desert Eagle or something like that.

        I mean he screamed like a little girl in Couch Lock

      • You know talking about an Actress that had a tough job Lauren Cohan had it rough. to turn from Baby face to heel in a matter of episodes tough did a good job

      • Shooting Grimes would bring back the Fedak Brotherly love that he liked so much and give him a reason to allow Chuck to go on rampage – like Sarah did.

      • I was happy when Chuck went on Rampage to help Sarah though.

        See I also like Decker, when he said “I don’t care.” and then Chuck smashes the TV “That guy may be a hardass but i am the intersect

      • Bitter much, Chris ? 😉

        The writer’s had this annoying habit of emphasizing one character’s “strength” by maximizing another character’s weakness. Think of Chuck Vs The Beefcake. Cole was a manly James Bond spy, and the difference between him and Chuck was pretty obvious. However, in order to make it “cartoon rubber” obvious, they make Chuck act like a little girl for 2 episodes…as though they don’t trust the audience to “get it” on their own.
        They could never build Chuck up without somehow tearing Sarah down, and vice versa. They didn’t trust the audience with understanding the characters…and allowing natural growth to occur. It was frustrating to watch at times. The only episode where I thought they did a great job of building on the strengths of each character, while highlighting their differences, was Push Mix. Because of that, it is probably my favorite episode. Phase Three was also excellent, but it, too, had to tear Chuck down a bit ( in the arc more than that particular episode ) to build up Sarah. Chuck Vs. Sarah…aside from its subject matter, was probably the most well acted from the standpoint of the whole cast, so it’s up there as a high point in my best episode list. Unfortunately, I just can’t watch it very often because it’s so heartbreaking.

      • Yea, i am bitter tonight.

        Because as i am watching S3. It dawned on my that I don’t see Sarah’s patent Jab or kick until Tic Tac. BTW guys, Justin’s first episode is TIc Tac he is one of the five guys Sarah takes on.

        They never let Sarah have a voice in the season. Secrets were getting worse and worse enough to be the end game for real life relationships.

        Misopportunities to trhive with certain characters didn’t need others like Angi Harmon’s character could of been used to see a Female version of Shaw to rival Sarah on the professional level.

        it’s just when you love something so much and you see how egos and arrogance get in the way of building an empire.

      • American Hero & Other Guy are both HORRIBLE episodes.

        Other Guy plays well at first because it brings an end to the foolishness. But then you realize that not a damn thing was resolved. It was just swept under the rug because resolving it would be too hard. Essentially rendering the previous 12 episodes completely pointless.

        At the end of the misery arc, Chuck and Sarah are exactly where they were the arc started. In fact, they belong less together because of this arc, because nothing was resolved.

        I don’t think you could ruin a show or its characters any more if you tried.

        It was Fedaked.

      • I agree, but as I said – American Hero and The Other Guy saved the entire Season from becoming the titanic. They were playing with the deck chairs but the music was still playing! It just needed to make more of a hero out of Chuck.

      • I disagree Shepard,

        There are certain things in the misery arc as you called it, that could of be great if they built on it. Shaw and Sarah should of never happened. Shaw was still too screwed up in the head over losing Eve, but as Sean explained which makes a lot of sense when i went back to watch it through his eyes.

        Shaw never cared for Sarah, he used her to get to Chuck. Hannah was the pipebomb. She should of never been apart of the story.

        You can’t have Chuck say i can’t in Prague to be sleeping with someone else by mid season.

        But hey what do I know.

        Shaw wasn’t the problem, in fact he made the season interesting for me when he pushed the team towards his agenda. As I have been saying I am a fan of impact bad guys. They are needed.

        Why do you think Dark Vader or Hannibal Lector are great villains

        Shepard, I promise if you go back to OPeration Awesome and you run through it the way Sean said it makes Shaw a less problem..

      • “American Hero & Other Guy”

        For Chuck himself. I thought these were good episodes.
        For Sarah, who was still held back by stifled writers the facial expressions alone spoke volumes – as I say, re-watch that restaurant scene. I think the entire cast was looking for a release at this stage – a return to real Chuck TV – and I think that this was evident in Morgan, Casey and others.

        Shaw had a purpose. He became a good villain with a vendetta against Sarah. We even saw how Sarah disregarded the result of the red test and was packing her bags to leave with Chuck. So yes, we saw salvation in these episodes.

        Hannah the weapon of mass destruction – enough said.

        For me, personally, the moment where Chuck locks Sarah in detention mode to save Shaw, this is where Season 3 began.

        And as Mr G would be happy to know, this is where my confidence in Mr Chuck B rose like a phoenix 🙂

      • Shepherd,
        “American Hero & Other Guy are both HORRIBLE episodes.”

        On their own, the weren’t great, but in comparison to Mask and Fake Name, they’re friggin’ Emmy winners !! You’re right in that the only redeeming thing about them is the crap finally comes to an end and we get to see Chuck fight for Sarah again. Sarah sweeps every single catastrophe she’s endured for 12 episodes under the rug, and pretty well ignores the fact that he really isn’t “still Chuck”, but hey, let’s move on, have sex for one entire episode and get back to our regular programming.

      • “Shaw never cared for Sarah, he used her to get to Chuck.”

        That was never showed onscreen and has to be inferred. Although an interesting idea, that’s not the story they told.

        “Hannah was the pipebomb. She should of never been apart of the story.”

        Hannah was eye candy – nothing more.

        “Shaw wasn’t the problem, in fact he made the season interesting for me when he pushed the team towards his agenda. As I have been saying I am a fan of impact bad guys. They are needed.”

        Disagree (and you’ll never convince me otherwise). Shaw was the total problem. The entirety of the season was written around a character the fans had no use for. By the time we discovered Sarah killed his wife, nobody cared. Shaw pushed the team in one episode – First Class – a completely forgettable one. Shaw was indeed an impact guy but as conceived, written, presented and especially acted he was ALL negative impact. Chuck did not become a better spy because of Shaw. If he did it was off screen. In fact I’ll forever contend that when Chuck became a “better” spy, he became a worse human being. In fact the only growing Chuck did in this arc was kill someone – and they took that away.

        It’s OK to bring someone in to shake up the team, but all the time Shaw is there Casey is nowhere to be seen and Sarah can’t do anything because Shaw is attached to her hip in every scene. The ROI on Shaw just isn’t there. He brings down the show.

        And listen, even the most die hard Shaw lovers (all 2 of them) have to admit that there was absolutely NO chemistry for the relationship they were trying sell. That why it’s called “Sham”

        There was a good story to be told in S3, unfortunately it’s buried so deep under crap that’s it doesn’t get told on screen. It’s left up to the fans to make up.

      • If someone sees a painting, Shepard we all are not going to see the same thing. of course a house is a house, but the end result is its all interpretation.

        But i do agree they could of done a lot with Shaw other then we got. The lack of chemistry is obvious, but Yvonne and Brandon can only do what they are directed too. They are not Keifer Sutherland or Kevin Spacey.

        Chuck became a real spy after taking down Volkoff with the need of the intersect in my view. He came up with a plan used it to lure him to Orion’s cabin and it was the best set up of the series.

        only setting up Shaw in Ring 2 was great.

        Shepard, is there anything wrong with looking at a scene and say. Man, I know what Sarah was thinking or feeling. Expressions and body language was how Sarah brought her emotions to the table.

        Bryce said it best in Nemesis, she never liked to talk about her feelings, but quite often her expressions spoke louder than her words. All because of Yvonne’s natural ability.

        For example, are you going to say when Chuck went to get the counter agent from the Museum Sarah wasn’t saying please don’t leave me alone.

        I see it. because of the expressions.

        I guess I read too much into things, but I enjoy the same. If I wrote season three. Hannah would of been used in S1 instead of Rachel Bilson. Didn’t like Lou one bit.

        Hannah was ok, but a pipebomb very much so. To watch Sarah look like her spirit left her body was heartfelt.

      • “For example, are you going to say when Chuck went to get the counter agent from the Museum Sarah wasn’t saying please don’t leave me alone.

        I see it. because of the expressions.

        I guess I read too much into things, but I enjoy the same. If I wrote season three. Hannah would of been used in S1 instead of Rachel Bilson. Didn’t like Lou one bit.”

        The sad part is, regardless of how well YS performed, the younger audience (under 25) would probably not see ALL the facial expressions (as they may never have felt that emotion). They would be waiting for the words to be spoken.

        For me, I preferred the facial expressions as they said more than words ever could; but realistically, you need to be a well-tuned cookie to see them and this why most human beings fail to communicate.

        On Chuck like the real world. It is not what is said that is important, but how it is said, what is not said (avoided) or even silence can speak volumes – always read a person’s body language. Many people miss this and only life (at any age) can teach you that.

      • Shepard,

        We have other articles here at Chuckaholics other than S3 articles.

        Would love your input on our rewatch articles we are only up to week 17 which is cougars from S2

      • “American Hero & Other Guy”

        This is where Season 3 begins. Chuck on the road to recovery.

        “Hannah was eye candy – nothing more.”

        Hannah was a weapon of mass destruction. She was a dirty bomb, born of suitcase and loaded with a nuclear device. No apple juice this time.

        “Shaw was the total problem.”
        As I mentioned before, Hannah gets away with it because male members of the audience have a soft spot for Hannah. Meanwhile, Shaw gets it in the neck because he slept with Sarah.

        We guys do it to ourselves. See what we deem to be a pretty face (not my type) and fall head over heels giving Hannah every excuse in the sun. The only thing Hannah did not do was attempt to kill Chuck but she decimated Chuck and wiped his life out.

        As I said, because of Hannah jumping in bed with Chuck; Chuck gets a pass, but Sarah and Shaw get the blame.

        Sarah was lonely and hurt while Shaw just saw an opportunity that suited his plans – so he capitalised. Don’t blame the girl, it was Chuck who dropped the ball and it was his fault.

        Hannah was WMD and eventually, life will show you that I am right.

        “Casey is nowhere to be seen”
        I think we all agree here. Bad writers.

        “NO chemistry for the relationship”
        It was a professional relationship. It wasn’t supposed to be a love match. Chuck is the only guy who gets all emotional when his trousers come off lol.

        All in all, until we see American Hero & Other Guy it was bad writing.

      • “For example, are you going to say when Chuck went to get the counter agent from the Museum Sarah wasn’t saying please don’t leave me alone.

        I see it. because of the expressions.”

        I don’t see that expression at all….. what was that…2 seconds of the episode??? If it was that important, don’t you think they would have lingered over it? It was after Chuck realized the counteragent was at the museum. Sarah could have been saying, “Please hurry.” She could have been saying, “There are things we should have talked about.”, She could be saying, ” I drank a whole coffee and I’m locked in here and have to pee.” Because she SAYS absolutely nothing, her expression is free to interpretation, and the storytellers are telling the audience…”Make it up yourself, because we don’t even know WTF is going on.”

        If you look at an expression and try to interpret it, it’s supposition only …a theory. You cannot then state categorically that the next occurrence was a direct result of the supposed previous occurrence. There can never be absolute proof of anything in a TV show…even when Sarah opens her mouth, she often lies. But we would like to know when she lies and when she tells the truth ( same as for Chuck ). Expressions are just that…they are expressions …they are often not the truth either. Believe me…if you had to deal with what I have to deal with every day, you’d realize that 2 people going through the exact same thing can speak about and express totally different things.

      • “I guess in my heart I believe she is saying to Chuck don’t leave me with this animal who has been harassing me all night”

        You were just scratching the surface there. It went A LOT deeper than that. Sarah was breaking down at that moment. It was ‘abandonment’ that was written in her face; which is why I was completely shocked at Chuck’s behaviour or should i say (for a guy who was crazy about her) I was disgusted.

        Harsh I know, but life doesn’t give you second chances.

      • “I don’t see that expression at all….. what was that…2 seconds of the episode??? If it was that important, don’t you think they would have lingered over it? ”

        As I said previously. Most people miss facial expressions; and no you cannot linger over a facial expression without making the expression look unnatural. Facial expressions are too quick.

        “Sarah could have been saying”

        Now if you loved that girl, you would know what she was saying. This is the difference between really caring for someone and just thinking you do.

        However, given that Chuck was infatuated with himself he did not see Sarah look at him. Chuck was not even looking at Sarah really. He was talking to himself. I am a hero, I have a plan (I just made one up without considering the risks). I’m off to save the day; and as it turned out, Chuck left her to die.

        “There can never be absolute proof of anything in a TV show”

        Maybe the use of facial expressions was too clever for the audience. As I said, most people want to hear the words. Which explains why soap operas are so popular.

        “Believe me…if you had to deal with what I have to deal with every day, you’d realize that 2 people going through the exact same thing can speak about and express totally different things.”

        Reading people works for me 98% of the time.

      • Sean,
        “Reading people works for me 98% of the time.”

        Congratulations. You should work in the field of pain management, then. You’d make a bloody fortune, and you’d be so busy you wouldn’t have time to post on a Chuck forum !! 😉

      • “Congratulations …”

        Nothing intended but it depends on your situation I guess. We all of our individual stories and we adjust accordingly.

      • “Harsh I know, but life doesn’t give you second chances.”

        Yet he’s still her Chuck. The guy gets the girl…shut up and kiss me. It’s a TV show. I guess we all see it differently. There’s the story the writers write, the story the vast majority of viewers see, and then there’s the story that the Illuminati see…(oh to be so lucky.)

        I fall into the 2nd category, no doubt. I make suppositions like everyone else, but I try not to make them hard and fast ( like my FEELING that Shaw and Sarah slept together that first night). Vast majority of viewers (who tweet the #Chuck hashtag) seem to blame Chuck for the Sarah / Shaw affair….seems equally divided between those that point to Prague and those that point to Hannah. I blame most of what happened in Season 3 on the writers not giving Sarah a voice. Chuck was in her world, and she didn’t say a word to him. I saw her become the opposite of the character I fell in love with in Season 1 & 2 …she became overly emotional, she became weak, she became submissive …she became anything BUT the CIA’s best spy and Chuck’s confidante. It could have and should have been fixed by Three Words. And instead of growing Chuck’s character in a trial by fire, they burn him at the stake.

        I don’t think the viewers wanted Chuck to be the lead or Sarah be the lead…I think they liked them together. The fact that Sarah seemed to interfere with Chuck’s journey from boy to man to spy to super spy was in Fedak’s head only. Having her by his side in S4 showed so much more believable growth, not only in Chuck, but in Sarah as well. It was just imminently more watchable.

      • “Season 4, Sarah survives the Volkov DNA killer.”

        “You mean the Norsemen”

        Technically you are both correct …with the Norseman being the name of the device and a DNA killer being an apt description of how it works. It’s different than correcting the country where Weap-Con was…which in fact was Dubai, rather than in India, as stated. 😉 😉 LOL

        ““Congratulations …”

        Nothing intended but it depends on your situation I guess. We all of our individual stories and we adjust accordingly.”

        Absolutely correct. But people wear masks …people hide their emotions behind words and expressions. Body language, as you have mentioned, is a little more helpful…at least in my business. The other thing I have to do ask questions 3 or 4 different ways to see if the answers they give are consistent. I have to do tests that the patients have no preconceived idea about, and therefore cannot come up with a “canned” answer or expression or body language.

        Take when Sarah responded to Chuck’s question of whether she was OK with the whole Hannah thing. The answer and the expression Chuck saw were totally believable, as was her statement when she says, ” I do have my type.” Smiling….looking directly at him in a natural manner. Liars either fixate on your eyes or look down, from my experience. BUT…the viewer can take it as Sarah lying, Sarah being truthful, or it could be she’s doing something we can’t really understand, but we have to fit into what or idea of the story is trying to tell us. The trouble is, we are all biased…we all have a preconceived idea of what the story is, so we only pick up on the expressions that verify our story, we alter our perception of those expressions to verify our story…and we ignore expressions that seem counter to our perceived story.

        To say, “I maintain neutrality” is pure rubbish …no one is neutral. In science, we try to overcome that by using the scientific method in our research…and the basis of that is we should try our hardest to prove ourselves WRONG ! Still, we need editors and panels to ferret out research which is biased…trying to keep it out of the literature. The most respected journals take it very seriously, the rags don’t and everything gets published. It used to be bad, but only us doctors used to get ahold of the bad research. Now the public, through the Internet, can get ahold of the bad research and there are bloody medical catastrophes abounding.

        Working at keeping an open mind is tough…believe me.

      • “Absolutely correct. But people wear masks …people hide their emotions behind words and expressions. ”

        No harm done and I wouldn’t want to say I know anything about your experiences/job etc …

        We are all different and living in different situations with different people around us. It makes life interesting but a challenge.

        “canned answer or expression or body language.”

        In my world I don’t get one or two questions. Most of the time some people don’t even speak. I just use my knowledge of people in general and make an educated guess based on the situation. Educated guess is the wrong phrase. ‘Instinct’ is term that is far more apt.

        I suppose it is like a ‘poker tell’, everybody has one and it can vary from situation to situation.

        But I expect you already know these things 🙂

        “Take when Sarah responded to Chuck’s question of whether she was OK with the whole Hannah thing. ”

        I saw it completely differently. She was uncomfortable, matter of fact, down turn in the lips and flattening of the entire lips was a good hint. Disappointment was evident leading to slight degrees of resignation – i.e. ‘what can i do, his mind seems set on it’. Movement of the shoulders and then she displayed annoyance with the fact that he called Shaw a hero etc .. etc …

        Sarah was reacting. She has her own sense of pride and she needs to maintain a sense of confidence in moving forward. Sarah did not want to move forward without Chuck, but she was resigned to the way he was acting. She certainly did not see Shaw as a hero and she was certainly not happy with Hannah, but unless the writers give her more words I think Yvonne clearly added her own words to indicate what the writers did not or could not say. YS filled in the blanks and the director/producer allowed it.

        “Liars either fixate on your eyes or look down, from my experience.”
        She was not telling untruths. She was just being matter of fact. How many times did she tell Chuck that he was the guy.

        Chuck never listened; and not everything that is said implies ‘truth’ or a ‘lie’. There are too many grey areas in life to make communication so obvious.

        Ever heard the phrase, “I have told you so many times I might as well be banging my head against the wall”. Another phrase we use over here is, “sure Chuck, whatever”.

        Well that phrase sums it up perfectly.

        The other way to see is like this, in fact it was Chuck who was saying what he was saying because he didn’t believe it himself and he had serious doubts over the way he was thinking.

        So it isn’t what Sarah said that was important, it was what Chuck said and why Chuck said it that was important. After all, he just coughed it up like bad food … the conversation came from no where. So it was a Chuck speech with typical delivery and yes, Sarah had heard lots of those. He was spiralling, she listened, made a few noises and let him go about his day.

        Think of these words coming out of Sarah’s mouth in response to him:

        “Chuck I have told that you are my hero so many times but you never listen (how else can i prove it given my current situation and all this surveillance, I nearly lost my job last time) so I might as well be banging my head against the wall. You do want you want to do, you always do anyhow …”

        Now that should give you a feel for how I saw that scene.

        “Working at keeping an open mind is tough…believe me.”
        I agree. It gets harder every day sometimes.

    • Sean

      ““Bartowski was a willing participant”
      Exactly. In fact, as Chuck was holding Hannah, you could say he positively encouraged it. Which agrees with everything I have said to date about this.

      What a moron.”

      Gonna call BS on that “encouraged” comment. He was oblivious to her come ons since First Class …he wasn’t looking to jump her bones, because he could have done so much sooner if he was actually wanting to….she threw herself at him a number of times before he actually gave in. And “holding her” ???? You mean like Sarah latched on to Bryce or Cole ??? Isn’t that what you’re supposed to do when you’re passionately kissing someone ?? He was willing….leave it at that and don’t try to make it more than it was. he didn’t even think about her once he got down to the floor with Sarah….

      “Chuck left Sarah to (possibly) die, he also left her with Shaw who was obviously a sexual predator.”

      BS again…he had to get the counter agent from the museum. I suppose you would have rather he stayed there and watched her die. He knew what the gas was, he knew how fast it was going to kill her, so he did what he had to in order to save her. That was his one and only priority once he saw Sarah poisoned. Casey had to remind him to get Hannah from the vault .

      • “He was oblivious to her come ons since First Class”

        Look at the screen grab. He his holding her should, supporting her and pulling her towards him.

        “you’re supposed to do when you’re passionately kissing someone”
        Exactly. He could have said no.
        I mean, when Beefcake kissed Sarah she didn’t grab him. Hands were firmly by her side. Same when Bryce kissed her.

      • “BS again…he had to get the counter agent from the museum.”

        So how did Shaw and Sarah get to the museum again?
        He could have got them out of castle and taken them to the museum – easier to do one journey than two.

        Chuck left them.

        “Casey had to remind him to get Hannah from the vault”

        And when Chuck gets to the museum, forget the woman he loves. He saves the stalker. Hell, my first port of call would be with Sarah not Hannah. And Chuck’s lame excuse about Shaw saving her was just that – lame.

        Forget what Casey says, this is the woman you love, the future mother of your kids. Some stranger takes a big back seat here – I would have told Casey to get her.

        Would you leave your wife/girlfriend in such a situation. I bet you would not. It isn’t natural unless you dumped them for the person you do go to help.

        Chuck had left Sarah at that point (she knew it) and most of the audience knew it – so ratings collapsed.

      • BS, Sean….. Chuck knew how long he had to get the counteragent…he flashed on it. If he waited until the gas cleared and he could get them out of lockdown, he may have missed his opportunity to save her. Casey concurred with Chuck’s plan. He saved Sarah first…he didn’t run to the museum and get Hannah out of the vault first, he used the fake mask and smoke to trick the baddie and find the counteragent. He knew he was up against time. Hannah was secondary. Watch the flippin’ episode again !! 😉

      • Your right Gary,

        Casey was the one to remind Chuck he had a responsibly to save a civilian. Casey is right though. The job requires a spy to make sure all civilians are safe before worrying about team members.

      • “Casey was the one to remind Chuck he had a responsibly to save a civilian. Casey is right though. The job requires a spy to make sure all civilians are safe before worrying about team members.”

        You guys have both said Chuck is not a spy, he is a super hero.
        To be honest, at this stage is is neither.

        He lost super hero status a while a go and he certainly isn’t considered to be a spy yet.

        The original Chuck would have saved Sarah and to hell with Casey. Chuck 2.0 is a moron.

        Even Casey will blow out orders to save his child and his ex (and nearly wife). So its all rubbish. Chuck was bad here. Period.

      • So you wouldn’t disobey orders to save your wife or girlfriend.
        I know its a TV show, but really, rule books, pension plans and employment go out of the window if that was my girlfriend. Hell, you could even court martial me.

        The team was alright with the idea of taking a civilian. Sarah questioned it, but after Shaw said yes – the civilian is his problem.
        He’s the boss.

      • I still can’t believe you cannot see my point.

        If that was your wife/girlfriend. You are saying you would have acted like Chuck? Really?

        (Forget Shaw) I would have smashed Sarah out of that box and dragged her down to the museum for two reasons:

        1] You believe the antidote is there and it saves time. After all, you don;t know if you have 20 minutes or 60 minutes. So you cannot imagine wasting time making a trip back to smash the box and get her out to give her the antidote.

        If you follow that in a circular motion you will see that Chuck was wasting his time and he left her to die.

        2] Let’s say Sarah dies in your arms 10 minutes later. At least you were the last person on earth she saw and you got to say goodbye. Instead, our hero runs off and allows her to possibly spend her last minutes on earth with Shaw.

        Come on people …
        This is not Chuck from season 1 or 2.
        This is Chuck the moron – otherwise known as Chuck ‘VISTA’ or ‘Windows 8’ version.

      • I am just playing Devil Advocate,

        I think if we all were in the same position it would be better to save Sarah first, and bring them with you to get the agent.Chuck 2.0 was a bit on the haywire.

      • I know you are but Chuck is in an indefensible position.

        Chuck behaved out of character from the original 2 seasons. Sarah was right by saying Chuck was not Chuck any more. This entire episode proved it.

        Chuck was a moron. He had no intention to leave Sarah to die, but in his current state of mind, his actions were outrageous, and yes, he did actually leave her to die.

        Heaven knows what the writers were drinking that day.

        And really, after that, season 3 died. I only watched the next episodes to find out what they did with Sarah’s character; and to see if Casey was going to save the day. Chuck fell off the truck for me until he picked himself up and started fighting Shaw – American Hero.

        It was still not the same, because they had written in the worst possible characteristic. That Chuck, if push comes to shove, would be prepared to sacrifice Sarah for some stranger who had the hots for him.

        If he was my wingman in a battle or he was my partner fighting crime. After this episode, I would never be able to trust him again. Regardless of how funny he was – he was a moron.

        For example, if you have kids, after this, would you consider him for babysitting duty? I doubt it.

        Trust gone ………….. faith gone ……
        It was a shame Shaw was such a sod.

        Better Sarah had Bryce really, at least he was likeable to some degree and you could trust him to do what he said he would.

        As you can see, this episode was a great disappointment to me.
        😦

      • Yea, but when reading a great book. There are a few chapters that are snooze fests or some that are disturbing. it shouldn’t be the reason you put the book down, Right?

      • I didn’t put the book down but it did change my interest in the story.

        Chuck through season 1 and 2 was a likeable guy who had some tough times. Got a super power and had a great cover girlfriend who would fight to the death for him. He had missions to give him a new lease on life and all in all, his moral code and moral fibre was something that warmed your heart. Naive but believable, brave but real.

        For that reason you have a sense of trust in the guy and you have faith that things will work out for him. You could predict what he would do and have fun watching him complete that prediction.

        However, in comes Chuck 2.0 who has a general disregard for anyone except what he wants. At that point they threw his moral code down the toilet and ran his moral fibre through the mud.

        He was now unpredictable.

        The guy who made so many episodes saying he would stand by those he loves suddenly drops the woman of his dreams and leaves her to die.

        Bad times …

        So now my main interest moved to Sarah and Casey who would be the sole arbitrators of the shows direction. They became the soul of the show. Chuck was just the direction of the show.

        In the train wreck that Chuck had become, this is where the legacy of Sarah and Casey began. Even Morgan’s character became more influential after this.

        Just bad writing for Zac L really.

      • unlike most men,

        I feel like I related to Sarah more than Chuck and its why I am drawn to her. I don’t have a con man of father or what not, but I do understand her giving up a part of herself for others. When her dad comes around she gives up on her job because she doesn’t want to disappoint him.

        Gary likes to say she had a choice in becoming a CIA agent, but where was the choice in being left alone. A life in prison or join the CIA were her only choices not much of a choice really. Especially at her age,

        She was screwed by every man in her life. Dad, Graham, Ryder, Bryce it was a shock she trusted Chuck like she did.

        She becomes a victim in a predator’s quest of weaponizing Chuck, and loses herself but despite all of this she was there for Chuck when he needed her.

        It’s a give and take I say. and Sarah always had to give. It has nothing to do with her looks either, but there is more to the person than looks

      • I agree.

        Forget what she looks like.
        If this was a radio show then looks would not matter but the storyline does.

        Sarah had a hard life.
        To be honest, I think it was harder than Chucks. Why? Many children have their parents leave them, Chuck had Morgan who had no father figure. So Chuck had people he shared an experience with – he wasn’t alone.

        But how many had an upbringing like Sarah. I bet you would find it difficult to find another Sarah she could find common goals with whilst growing up. Sarah really was alone and she had no friends.

        Sarah was forced in to being a CIA agent, characterised by her putting her hands out ready for cuffing.

        Sarah drops Bryce for Chuck.
        Sarah saves his life and undermines her own job for Chuck.
        Sarah saves his family members and undermines her own job for Chuck.
        Sarah does not take up Beefcake.

        She is sexually harassed by Shaw and the only time she really needs Chuck (someone to talk to about her rough time with Shaw). Chuck is away having an intellectual romance with a new co-worker.

        And then, at the point of death. Chuck leaves her on some half-baked-no-plan with the sexual predator she least likely wants to speak to never mind spend her last few minutes on earth with.

        Chuck’s plan fails as he is mister ego and then pursues a relationship with a stalker he met on a flight to Paris.

        Sarah has no where else to go now.
        In most instances, if she had a normal job, she would leave – just like Hannah does. After all, Chuck has just burned her. And I do not mean treated her badly, no he left her to die.

        There is no greater sin than leaving a loved one to die. You cannot do anything worse really.

        As I said, bad times for the nerd.

        Chuck was not the guy any of us thought he was.

      • “Chuck knew how long he had to get the counteragent…he flashed on it. If he waited until the gas cleared and he could get them out of lockdown, he may have missed his opportunity to save her.”

        Chuck didn’t save her.

        “Casey concurred with Chuck’s plan.”

        It is quite simple.

        The woman you intend to settle down with is dying. So what does the moron Chuck do, ignore that fact and debate a plan with Casey.

        That”s not normal.
        In that situation, any normal guy would go to save his girl first, sod the consequences, sod what Casey thinks. Thats normal.

        Sarah did it many times – she dropped the mission to save Chuck. However, Chuck in the same position drops Sarah and opts to be a professional. So Chuck ignored his loves ones just for the sake of being a ‘professional’?

        You are trying to explain his behaviour.
        I ain’t buying.

      • “Just like I don’t buy Sarah telling Shaw she liked the kiss on her neck. Her expressions said other wise.”

        She didn’t like it. She hated it.

      • Until she could smell that perfume.

        And her last few moment son this earth were with a sexual predator. Naturally she is going to spark up a nice conversation, you might be dead in 10 minutes.

        If I was in a room with Hitler or Stalin and I knew I would be dead in 10 minutes. I would be nice. It’s natural really, you don;t want to die feeling mad and angry even though you are – its called, a resignation to accept fate and die. Chuck left her to die.

      • True.
        But as she thought she was dead any way. In that instance, when you are about to leave the world … I can forgive her for saying what she said at that time.

      • As I think about Sarah put her job at risk when she shot Mauser. The agency could of brought her in for questioning on why they didn’t bring him in.

        She elected to kill Mauser for him.

        She almost got herself thrown in jail twice for the sake of helping him. Yet, when Sarah was chasing Jill to grab her–Chuck” Sarah, don’t hurt her.”

        Sarah also became Rampage Sarah when Colt dropped him or he died in a car explosion. So, Sean I can see your point.

      • I’m not saying Sarah didn’t want him to leave, but Chuck was going to the museum to save Sarah. Hannah and Shaw were secondary. He knew how much time it would take to get to the museum and get back…part of the plan…and he knew it was tight. I thought the look was less of, “Don’t leave me here with Shaw.” and more of, ” I don’t want to die without you.” But then Shaw breaks out of Castle and gets to be the hero…and Chuck’s efforts ( like in Pink Slip with the assassin’s laser targeting Sarah), are thrown by the wayside.

        And Chuck was a willing participant in the kiss. Please read my comments …he DID NOT encourage her. There is no evidence of that at all …. he kissed her like he meant it when she came on to him. He didn’t tell her to leave the computer and come over to him. Should he have said, “NO !” Of course he should have !!! But for crying out loud, leave it as what it was. You guys are unbelievable conspiracy theorists.

      • “when she came on to him”

        And the world class spy/super hero never realised Hannah fancied him. As a spy (you are telling me he is) e should see that a mile off and as a super hero he should say thank you but no thank you. Batman would, so would Superman.

      • Gary,
        you know very well that I said in the article i was fine with Hannah kissing Chuck. I take no issue with that. My issue was with Shaw and Sarah and still is.

        Let me explain again, of the four there was a real feelings with Chuck and Sarah and Hannah and Chuck. You don’t come to Burbank for a man just because you liked him. She wanted Chuck. Shaw was the one not interested in a relationship.

        So, Hannah following on her desire isn’t a big deal for me, and we seem to forget at this point Chuck and Sarah were “not in a relationship.” it was fair for him to continue the kiss.

        So, yes the initial kiss was started by Hannah. But you can’t fault Hannah for doing so. Chuck never let it be known he had a girlfriend. I mean think about this Sean. Gary is right in one sense

        When Chuck was on his mission in Seduction, he told Sasha he was sort of seeing someone, but Chuck in S3 was willing to continue to kiss Hannah not because she was a easy life, but because it was something he enjoyed for the first time in a long time. You can’t fault him for that either.

      • Well, Let’s blame Chuck for Iraq, the Gulf war…hell…let’s blame him for WWII as well… all his fault. I never said he was a spy or a super hero ..I said he was trying to become one. Castle was in lock down…. there was poisonous gas inside … Chuck couldn’t get in…PERIOD… FULL STOP… THE WHOLE GODDAMN THING GOES TO HELL IN A HAND BASKET IF HE TRIES AND THEY ALL DIE.

        Good plan so far ….. Now…if he really wants to SAVE her ( and she is his ONLY concern at this point ), he does what he does best ….he comes up with a plan.

        What part of this are you not getting ?…there was no other way…blowing apart a small room with 2 people inside is going to kill them immediately. Any other breach and the gas is released and Chuck can’t do his job of actually saving them. If he waited until the gas cleared enough so Shaw could break them out, then he wouldn’t have time to go to the museum AND get the counteragent in time. I know Chuck is responsible for all the ills of the world in this episode, but he was in full panic mode trying to get that counteragent for Sarah. He does’ want her to die in his arms…..he doesn’t want her to die..PERIOD !

        And WTF about Sarah and her “sexual predator” ???? I thought you said NUMEROUS times that Sarah could handle herself…… oh yeah….unless you’re trying to pin the weight of the world on Chuck !!! LOL Funny how, after she sleeps with Shaw, she can dismiss him with a simple, ” I need to stop mixing my personal and professional life.” Done…over.

        How hard was that ?

      • Gary,

        I hope you don’t me mean in that rant because I am really neutral in this situation. i thought I said as much in the article. I just see both argument and see the points in both.

        Chuck was in a predicament here either way he was going to come out the bad guy in this. The writers made it that way.

        But I know you felt the move Shaw was making was harassment.

      • He could have used a bullet.
        Or hacked the building like he always does.
        Chuck had options, but he took the easy approach. I will do this because it sounds good for my ego.

        “Sarah could handle herself”
        If Sarah was my girlfriend and her boss started hassling her liked that, enough said. Maybe my girlfriend could handle herself, but there is nothing wrong with having a quiet word about sexual harassment at the work place – the CIA is not immune to prosecution.

        In fact, any operation undertaken by the CIA on US soil is illegal is it not?

        “How hard was that ?”

        It doesn’t mean she invited him to sexually assault her in the first place did it. You need to remember, Chuck is supposed to be in love with this woman. My future wife would never need to look out for herself; I bet you would be the same too.

      • Chris and Sean,

        Final BS for the night…..
        “Gary likes to say she had a choice in becoming a CIA agent, but where was the choice in being left alone. A life in prison or join the CIA were her only choices not much of a choice really. Especially at her age,”

        She had a choice to live with her mother….she seemed like a decent sort. She chose not to….she craved adventure. I don’t care what her age is…at some point you have to realize you’re on the wrong side of the law. Heck…she wasn’t stupid. She loved the thrill of the con. SO she stayed on in a criminal lifestyle, always with the choice to stop it and go with her very decent mother.

        So, because of what she had done, she had a choice, and they were the only two that should have been afforded her. Hell….if we didn’t arrest people who commit criminal activity, because they had crappy parents, there would be 95% of the criminals still on the street. Why should she get special consideration ? Because she’s white ? Because she’s a girl ? Because she’s pretty ?

        She was 18 years old when she made that choice between jail and the CIA. I’m pretty sure they give you a ballot, a license to operate a motor vehicle, and in some places, the ability to drink by that age. This is not some teeny bopper …this is someone who’s now considered a woman. Let her live with the consequences of her previous decisions.

      • Gary,

        I have explained enough that being pretty has nothing to do with me liking her. I am not about looks. I have also married a Dominican so race isn’t an issue.

        Sarah’s life story is a lot worse then Chuck had, and like it or not its the truth. Ellie was in Chuck’s life and kept him inline. His father was in his life as well until he was a teen. so he had a parent in his life.

        It is common knowledge that when a family splits apart the child will always choose the parent that was not apart of the family anymore. The sense of adventure was not conning. It was the fact she was with her father. Maybe she blamed her mother for her father always being away from home, who knows

        It’s easy to say she should of stayed with her mother, but its crap. it’s an easy decision for someone that hasn’t live in the shoes of that person. I remember how the mother kept Sarah from her father, and that isn’t fair to the child either. I know because my mother did it to me.

        I don’t like to air my laundry out there because it’s not important others have worse problems then me. Sarah at 10 or 11 doesn’t have a father in her life and the life of adventure was the experience of being with her father.

        I hate when parents use a child as a pawn in a feud with the other parent. While Sarah grew older she chose to stay with her father because she knew he needed her in case he was put in prison for a long time as he was.

        Should she serve time for her crimes sure, but again it’s not a choice when the two choices are not of her free will. Live with mom or never see your dad, who by the way loved Sarah.

        Live in prison for a while or go to prison. Its not an easy decision and Sarah would have to sacrifice something either way she was giving up her free will in choosing what she wanted to do.

        What she wanted to do was use the money to bail out her father that is a free will choice.

        I don’t see that to be fair at all.

      • Calm down guys ….

        Just remember it is fiction. It is a TV show, it isn’t real.
        This should be fun.

        Look at it this way:

        In certain episodes Sarah acts badly.

        In other episodes Sarah and Chuck act badly.

        In this episode (particularly) I believe Chuck was at fault (entirely).

        I also blame Casey for not opening his mouth.

        I blame Morgan for not opening his mouth.

        I blame Ellie for not providing useless advice that may have changed Chuck’s actions.

        I blame Beckman for introducing Shaw.

        I blame the previous episode for the existence of Hannah.

        I blame the writers, director and editors for the mess of Season 3 to date.

        I blame Sarah for joining the mission and not having a day off so all this mess could have been avoided.

        Did I miss someone out?
        🙂

      • I am sorry Gary, If I came off bitter. I am not trying to but again all I am saying is Sarah’s decision to stay with her father out of adventure was to be with her father even if it meant to con.

      • “She had a choice to live with her mother….she seemed like a decent sort. ”

        We have no idea about her mother except for the regret she showed Sarah when taking the baby.

        Regret is something people show when they have remorse.

        This means her mother screwed up, so when Sarah was growing up, we need to assume that her mother was not around for her.

        It does happen.

        “She chose not to….she craved adventure.”

        Kids at that age all like adventures. And sorry, you cannot ask a child under the age of 12 to make a life changing decision such as – which parent do you want to live with. Kids at that age choose what looks exciting over what might be best.

        “She loved the thrill of the con.”

        So you believe a child of that age really knows the true definition of a ‘con’ and what affect it may have on the victim.

        This is why minors are not legally responsible for their actions.

        “Why should she get special consideration”

        Sarah get special consideration at this age because she was a minor and she doesn’t know any different. She gets the same consideration I would give any child. She wasn’t a murderer or anything like that …

        “Because she’s white ? Because she’s a girl ? Because she’s pretty ?”

        There is racial argument here.
        Suggesting a young girl gets special consideration for being pretty is a bit weird.
        Suggesting Sarah the adult get special consideration because she is pretty is ridiculous.

        Chuck left her to die.
        And the fact that it is true is probably why you are picking on Sarah.

        Sarah is not a white swan. In this episode she really did nothing wrong. In other episodes she does.

        Chuck is fallible, he is not a god and the fact remains, he ignored his begging girlfriend and left her to die. Chuck had no plan (a plan requires risk management – something Chuck never does) If it wasn’t for Shaw, Sarah would be dead.

        In the next few episodes I will slag off Sarah as well 🙂

        (I slagged her character off in the last few episodes, but this time it was all Chuck). Remember, it’s a TV show. Blame the writers like I do.

      • BS, Chris…. Sarah’s father was a criminal…he would have never had access to his daughter in the normal world…..that’s HIS choice to live as a criminal and not see his daughter. Her mother was doing what was right…keep her away from her criminal father so she doesn’t get in the mess she ended up in. And he wasn’t there for her most of the time anyway…she was with her grandmother a lot of the time. She should have gone back to her mother…and her father should have told her to go back with her mother. She knew she was conning people. What you’re doing is making stuff up in her life to justify living a criminal lifestyle. Being there to bail out her father ??? Where is that in the story ??? The money was for her to disappear if she could. He wasn’t getting bail anyway…the feds arrested him to protect him. The thing is she had choices in her life…and she never seemed to hold a grudge against her dad. She knew who he was and what he was and she accepted that. Chuck didn’t have choices …his mother left and he thought it was his fault because he broke the charm. His father was there, but he wasn’t REALLY there, and then he was gone too. He never knew why either of them left. Sarah never had those questions in her life. Chuck had Morgan, who was a moron, and Ellie, who was overprotective. It didn’t do him any good having those 2 in his life because they didn’t prepare him for the real world.

        Was Sarah’s upbringing TOUGHER ? Well, yeah…she got to hang out with the underbelly of society…still…her choice !! Engage in criminal activities ? Sure….her choice !! And you think she should have THREE choices for engaging in criminal activity ??? With one being going completely Scot free ???? I wished I lived where you live, then….being a teenager would have been a lot more exciting knowing it’s OK to break the law.

      • How is it her choice when its all she knew. Yea sure live with her Mother, sure and Sarah became tougher because of it.

        There are two kinds of educations people need to survive in this world. One is a academic life, but you also need street smarts. Sarah survived her life because of her teachings through her father. The CIA is conning.

        Chuck’s parents leaving isn’t Chuck’s choice but its not his decision either that’s on Mary and Orion to leave.

        Sarah’s way of life a product of her father was just that Sarah’s choice she was never given a choice when its the life you only know.

        Morgan isn’t a Moron, he made the most sense out of all them. He was a better spy than Chuck, and had Chuck ear better than Ellie.

        Its why I preferred Morgan over Ellie. I hate my mother from keeping me from my father because all she did was sheltered me from learning the other side of my life. She isn’t just her mother’s child.

        Her father made the choices he made and the money wasn’t just for running away. Sarah wasn’t going to run away. She was going to try and free her father. She said, so in A family of Volkoffs.

        Sorry man Chuck had a better support staff than Sarah. In fact, her next father figure was Graham a killer in his own right.

        So please spare me that Chuck had it rough. He went to Stanford for goodness sake.

      • “Sarah’s father was a criminal…he would have never had access to his daughter in the normal world…..that’s HIS choice to live as a criminal and not see his daughter.”

        Agreed

        “Her mother was doing what was right…keep her away from her criminal father so she doesn’t get in the mess she ended up in.”

        This is speculation based on a woman who shows remorse when we meet her in the final season. Remorse is shown by someone who has regrets. Regrets come from someone who has done wrong.

        “she was with her grandmother a lot of the time.”
        Exactly, so where was her mom then?

        “She should have gone back to her mother”
        Maybe she was not wanted by her mom, that is why she lived with granny.

        “She knew she was conning people. ”
        Legally she is a minor and not responsible for her actions.

        “The money was for her to disappear if she could.”
        Speculation, see the prenup episode later on.

        “she never seemed to hold a grudge against her dad”
        Not uncommon with many kids in that position.

        “Chuck didn’t have choices …his mother left and he thought it was his fault because he broke the charm. His father was there, but he wasn’t REALLY there, and then he was gone too.”

        No, but he could AFFORD to go to Stanford (it did not say he was on a bursary). So he must have had a lot of money. This is no more speculative than what you have said.

        Stanford charge around $62,801 per annum. Then add in the cost of living.

        So Chuck had over $300K to see him through college – where did that come from?

        “Sarah never had those questions in her life.”
        her questions were very different. You cannot compare them.

        “Was Sarah’s upbringing TOUGHER ? Well, yeah…she got to hang out with the underbelly of society…still…her choice”

        Not really her fault.

        “Chuck had Morgan, who was a moron, and Ellie, who was overprotective. It didn’t do him any good having those 2 in his life because they didn’t prepare him for the real world.”

        Chuck had $300K in a bank account to pay his tuition fees, so he had plenty of choices.

        “Engage in criminal activities ? Sure….her choice !! ”

        She was a minor. No criminal liability.
        Its the law I believe.

        “With one being going completely Scot free ???? I wished I lived where you live, then….being a teenager would have been a lot more exciting knowing it’s OK to break the law.”

        They do all the time now.

        Just read any UK national newspaper and you will see the stories about child murders etc … Kids committing crime is quite normal now – and yes, they get away with it.

        I am not excusing Sarah as a child. Not at all.
        However, we need to keep perspective.

        You cannot justify Chuck by slagging Sarah off.
        You cannot justify Sarah by slagging Chuck off.

        You can say Morgan is a moron; but Chuck could have picked a better friend. Chuck had choices and money to boot …

  3. “Until she could smell that perfume.”

    Sitting in a Nerd Herder and beside Hannah at a computer would put her perfume on him. Sarah was pissed at the fact that Hannah was coming onto Chuck in the store etc. …all the while Chuck was oblivious. They were arguing about other people coming onto them….not the action of each other. It was purely conjecture on Sarah’s part that anything had actually gone on with Chuck and Hannah. Of course, NEITHER one tweaked to the fact that seeing someone come on to the other one actually bothered them !!! HELLO !!

    Chuck was a dirtbag for allowing Hannah to kiss him, and then going off with her at the end..he’s now damaged beyond redemption. The Fake Name revelation will push him further into the black hole. It sucked. Sarah gets off scot free because all the guys have the hots for her. I do to, but I won’t let her character off the hook. She’s a freakin’ master spy who has years of experience controlling her emotions and controlling men … they don’t send the blondes in for just anyone.

    Do your freakin’ job…..

    • “And the world class spy/super hero never realised Hannah fancied him. As a spy (you are telling me he is) e should see that a mile off and as a super hero he should say thank you but no thank you. Batman would, so would Superman.”

      And Sarah…who’s been a spy for much longer and doesn’t trust anyone, did a MUCH better job figuring out Shaw. Yeah…right !! LOL 😉

      • The man of her dreams left to DIE.
        She was begging for him to stay. It was the end of her world at that point really. Anything goes after that …

    • “Sitting in a Nerd Herder and beside Hannah at a computer would put her perfume on him.”

      Not really. You would get a hint of it, but it wouldn’t be on your skin.
      Attention to detail shows that Sarah still loves him. That’s how all affairs get caught out – look at Morgan and lipstick.

      “Sarah was pissed at the fact that Hannah was coming onto Chuck in the store etc.”

      Don’t blame her really.

      “all the while Chuck was oblivious”
      Everybody claims innocence when asked. Chuck could notice everything else about everyone but he failed to see that …. yeah sure …

      “It was purely conjecture on Sarah’s part that anything had actually gone on with Chuck and Hannah. ”

      Which makes it worse. Chuck should have come clean.

      “Chuck was a dirtbag for allowing Hannah to kiss him, and then going off with her at the end..he’s now damaged beyond redemption. The Fake Name revelation will push him further into the black hole. It sucked.”

      Totally agreed. It sucked. It was awful work by awful writers.
      Not Zac’s fault at all.

      “Sarah gets off scot free because all the guys have the hots for her.”
      I have kicked Sarah in previous episodes – i.e. she never apologises, never using the three words up to now etc .. etc

      I am trying to stay on this episode only.
      I will get to slag Sarah off in American Hero 🙂

  4. “He could have used a bullet.
    Or hacked the building like he always does.
    Chuck had options, but he took the easy approach. I will do this because it sounds good for my ego.”

    Weapons were inside …Chuck was locked out…I’m pretty sure you can’t override something like that for the safety of everyone else in the building. Besides, then the writers couldn’t get everyone to the museum to have that Godawful ending…..

    • Shut the power off.
      They did that before and later on …

      And you guys told me he was the Piranha.

      The point is, he never even tried.
      Resignation or surrender is worse than losing a battle.

      • “Shaw is a predator even Gary said so”
        Agreed. So did I, several times.

        We are turning the heat up today chaps, all good stuff eh 🙂

      • He didn’t resign…he didn’t surrender…and he didn’t do the easy thing. He headed into the lion’s den to get what he needed to save her. He was freaking out about how much time he had. It was a good choice … hauling everyone into the museum wasn’t going to get the counteragent … it would have shown the Ring that the gas was already released. Chuck’s course of action was the best chance to save Sarah. In the Beard, there is no way for Shaw, Sarah or Casey to hack into the base to get it to open up…no matter what codes or what measures they take. Chuck would have been wasting valuable time, and he knew it. This was all about Sarah…it had nothing to do with Hannah at all. Was there a better way to get them out AND get the counteragent? Probably not…. I mean, you’ve only laid out half of the plan. Getting them out of the room doesn’t save her life.

      • “He didn’t resign…he didn’t surrender…and he didn’t do the easy thing.”

        He didn’t think.

        “He was freaking out about how much time he had. It was a good choice”

        To leave his girl after she was begging him?
        For that reason I lost faith in him. He became erratic, untrustworthy Chuck and Sarah was right – not my chuck.

        “Chuck’s course of action was the best chance to save Sarah.”
        It was what he did, but not the best thing to do.

        “In the Beard, there is no way for Shaw, Sarah or Casey to hack into the base to get it to open up…no matter what codes or what measures they take.”

        They are not the Piranha.
        I doubt Casey could install Windows.

        “Chuck would have been wasting valuable time, and he knew it.”
        He didn’t know how long he had.
        It might have been 10 minutes. So based on that, you do what the victim wants. They are ones dying, not you.

        “Was there a better way to get them out AND get the counteragent? Probably not”

        Yes, I already stated it some time ago.

        You break her out and take her to the museum to get the antidote, it saves time on a final trip – traffic in LA mustn’t be that bad I guess. If all else fails and you run out of time, at least she is with you to say goodbye and she knows you tried.

        Remember, when someone dies, it is the living who need to live with it; and you never abandon someone who might die on a hunch.

        Just a bad choice which said – I am leaving you here to die. I think I have a plan, but like every other plan I have, they don’t usually go to plan. So yes, I am leaving you here to die.

  5. I’ve seen this episode all of once.

    It’s not the worst episode of the show (that title belongs to Fake Name).

    Mask is the stupidest episode of the show!!!!!!

    ABSOLUTE NOTHING in this episode makes any sense. Therefore you can make the character motivations anything you want.

  6. Hey Chaps

    Just so I can underline this:

    My opinions are just my opinions and I want you all to know that I do respect everyone else’s opinion.

    I enjoy hearing other people’s opinions and even though I may defend my own opinions – the real enjoyment is just discussing them.

    You never know, you could change my mind 🙂

    So, keep plugging away, and before i rejoin the trenches, I want you to know that everything remains in good voice and with a merry cheer.

    • Sean…that is what I say, too. Chris seemed to be getting worried …I wasn’t. I’ve tweeted that people should get on this site and discuss the episodes because we have guys like you who give great commentary. Like we said…if we all agreed, it would be boring. Sometimes I agree with you and post contrary statements, sometimes I disagree and don’t post, and sometimes I agree and post that I agree. It’s all in good fun …it’s like watching a hockey game with my best friend,,,who roots for the other team….we give pretty good stick to each other for a few hours and then , it’s done and we have another beer.

      I like being contrary … I like being in the minority. It’s how I live my life. I question everything, especially established paradigms. Most of the time ( I’m old enough to see these things happen BTW ), the paradigms start crumbling and I get a very satisfying, ” I told you so.” out of it. When I’m wrong, I’m very open to that and I move on.

      BTW….I’m wrong quite a bit.

  7. Facial expressions – what a joke.

    There is far (like next galaxy far) too much emphasis placed on Sarah’s expressions in order to figure out what was going on in her head during the misery arc. She has a voice. She needed a confidant in S3 so we knew what her journey was – not a lover.

    The fact that you intepret it one way while I see it a totally different way should tell you that the showrunners didn’t do their job.

    If Shaw was using Sarah to get to Chuck (and he wasn’t) Sarah is now the dumbest spies in the history of spies. If fact during this arc EVERYBODY is made stupider in order to sell Shaw. When’s the last time Casey would have openly accepted anything that seemed hinky. But then Casey wasn’t around.

    Chuck locking Sarah in order to go save Shaw is insulting to Sarah. Oh but wait we already said Sarah couldn’t do anything during S3 because Chuck had to have his BDHM.

      • I agree with Sean.

        The Sarah Walker character was never about her voice. For ex, in Chuck vs Fat Lady when Sarah said “I am just his cover girlfriend. Chuck is entitled to a real one” we the viewer are suppose to take her at her word, when she clearly was miserable watching Chuck and Jill. Its Sarah at her best IMO

      • I won’t argue about Sarah’s expressions in S1 and S2. There is enough other stuff (dialogue, gestures, etc) to make it so that most fans see the same thing.

        What rots my shorts is that this was not case on S3. Because Sarah doesn’t talk, or do anything else, you can fan wank her story into anything you want when maybe all she was doing was passing gas.

        People used yo say that it was clear Sarah was still in love with Chuck throughout the misery arc. Nothing could be further from the truth.

        They said there was a lot of self loathing. Never saw it.

        They said she had a relationship with Shaw. No one knew for sure until 3.17 and then they made her look stupid to show it.

        Chuck’s story during the misery arc was at least clear(er). Sarah Walker during the 1st 13 episodes of S3 can be made into anyone you want her to be.

        Really, do we care she killed Eve? It didn’t matter by then. The character we knew and loved was gone.

      • Shepard,

        Then we are under agreement with that notion then, Sarah was voiceless and lost all her knowledge of being the superspy she was. It’s because Sarah The Girlfriend took full control over Agent Walker. If you noticed during the wt/wt her agent persona would always keep her emotions and feelings in check. She would reveal enough to Chuck that wouldn’t compromise her job or lose Chuck. it was fun to watch the balance between the two sides of her.

        As a fan of the show, I am going to admit the story was better when Chuck and Sarah chased each other rather them be together. It just seemed they didn’t truly understand each other when they were together because the truth is a lot of the stuff was fine when they weren’t together but Marriage is whole different ball game. Chuck vs The Baby, or letting your wife walk without a fight it didn’t make scene to me because I wouldn’t let my wife walk out on me with out fighting instead he just stood their “Alright, Sarah.” it’s like he gave up on her.

        Sarah inability to tell her husband that she was afraid to quit spying. It should be discussed because its what real couple do. Secret ultimately destroy the relationship. whether they were innocent secrets or mega secret it’s all the same. Secrets are the same as lies in my opinion

      • “Sarah inability to tell her husband that she was afraid to quit spying.”
        Chuck could have guessed. It was obvious until Season 5.

      • How do you know he didn’t figure it out ? He became a spy for her…mostly because he figured it was the only way for them to be together. (” Wasn’t this the plan?” )

      • Its true,

        Chuck did join the CIA to be with Sarah, but the though of quiting the CIA in S5 was on Sarah’s mind, The jumping out of bed because she heard a sound. They say those are the early signs it’s time to quit

      • Sarah hinted at a backup plan when she moved in – S3.

        Chuck’s plan was reflected through his relationship with Sarah, and finally, when she validated her feeling for him, Chuck’s plan was to provide a home (and stability) for Sarah.

        But Season 3 Chuck had no plan beyond the idea of being bigger than himself and saving the world. The thought of losing Sarah woke him up.

        American Hero and the Other Guy is the moment when he has a plan. When he finally admits (to himself and her) that his plan was to be with Sarah – thus he says she was right in Prague and they should run away:

        He no longer wants to save the world.
        Which is exactly what Sarah says at Ellie’s wedding.

      • “He became a spy for her”

        This is what we all imply.
        I believe Chuck became a spy for three reasons:

        1] Chuck 2.0 made it a reality in his head. He believed he could be a spy. In the vault, Sarah was the very last reason named.

        2] Chuck believed he could help people. This is his main reason for becoming a spy and the reason why Prague happened.

        3] It was a way of staying close to Sarah. But this doesn’t mean a full on relationship. Chuck was dependent on Sarah (Sarah was dependent on Chuck) but that doesn’t mean they will settle down and have kids.

        Chuck had no plan. Sarah never discussed a plan.
        They both had a shared view that life could change once the intersect was removed from his head. But Chuck had no plan, no one ever knew what would happen if it did get removed – even Chuck, and this is why Sarah told him, ‘he could have anything he wanted’.

        Chuck only started planning events with the takedown of Volkov. Before that, he reacted rather than planned – and this is why he screwed up in this episode.

      • “Chuck only started planning events with the takedown of Volkov. Before that, he reacted rather than planned ”

        I’ll disagree here, because Chuck used the back of his Tron poster to plan how he was going to get the Intersect out of his head. Most of the time the CIA and the Team planned the missions ( Chuck was just along for the ride). Season 3 had very few missions and they were meant to be “think on your feet” missions ( e.g….First Class, Final Test ). Just because the show doesn’t specifically detail a planning session doesn’t mean they didn’t plan their mission. They don’t show the characters going to the bathroom very often, but I think you can infer that they probably do use it more than what’s shown in the episodes ! 😉

        “1] Chuck 2.0 made it a reality in his head. He believed he could be a spy. In the vault, Sarah was the very last reason named.”

        Chuck downloaded the Intersect to become “That Guy” BEFORE he knew what the 2.0 actually did…he had just lost Sarah to Bryce once again, so becoming a spy probably seemed like the logical thing to do, since it kinda seemed like Sarah was attracted to them…and seemed to chose them over the “regular” Chuck. He may have also just downloaded it so that Sarah would stay as his handler, but the “voices” that were playing in his head just before he downloaded 2.0 were all Sarah…. and they were all about being , ” THAT guy…”

      • “Chuck’s final words were I am not a hero”

        Agreed, although the vault scene proved he wanted to be a hero.

        And this idea of grandeur started his spiral that would not end until American Hero.

      • The mask discussion board is really long, let’s take the topic about The Ring for that episode article.

        Gary, you like to say Sarah chose Bryce, but she didn’t she was forced to leave remember part of the job Chuck and her both knew this would happen it’s why when Orion took out 1.0 I thought Prague was set up there.

        Remember Your free son, and creative used bombs in the background to describe Charah’s feelings on it.

        Sure, Chuck wanted the Intersect out, but did he really knowing the risks to it. Same for Sarah.

        She knew she would be gone. the next morning Bryce pops up again. As long as Chuck and Sarah didn’t discuss the elephants in the room which was Bryce and the Agency. Bryce being killed was step one, but started Sarah’s spiraling

        Chuck becoming Chuck 2.0 was set up when Orion took out 1.0

      • “I’ll disagree here, because Chuck used the back of his Tron poster to plan how he was going to get the Intersect out of his head.”

        And what about afterwards?
        A plan to get it out of his head was not a plan for a real life. The life he kept saying he wanted – what was it? Chuck never knew, he never thought about it because he was in his comfort zone (with Sarah). It is only the thought of losing Sarah that made him buckle up and address the big question – what will my real life be.

        “Chuck downloaded the Intersect to become That Guy”

        Disagree. At Ellie’s wedding, Sarah had already told him he was that guy. This was before he downloaded the new intersect and had the old one removed. So he achieved his Tron plan but beyond that, he wanted a holiday. As I said, Chuck was all reactionary until Season 4.

        So Ellie’s wedding proved he had no plans. He just hoped that Sarah would have a vacation with him. Thats hardly a plan.

        “he had just lost Sarah to Bryce once again”
        No he didn’t. Sarah confirmed her intentions on the beach; but sadly there was no time to tell him. However, as I said, Sarah did have time to tell him ‘he was that guy’.

        Chuck downloaded the new intersect because he thought he was doing the right thing – to save the world. He was doing what Bryce asked him to do, I guess he was honouring Bryce in a way. Sarah had nothing to do with it.

        “THAT guy”

        As we all know. Sarah proclaimed him to be ‘that guy’ at the end of Season 2, long before he re-downloaded the intersect.

      • Sarah never minded calling him a hero, but she used the word you are a spy when it came to keeping him focused on the job.

        When Chuck’s emotions got in the way.

      • Sometimes you two (Sean and Chris ) are absolute asses. All Chuck knew is that Sarah chose Bryce… for crying out loud, the viewers saw she changed her mind, but Chuck ever did. Of course, that’s Chuck’s fault for not being able to read Sarah’s mind or see the world he lives in from the TV viewer’s POV. JEEEEEEEZZZZZZZZZUUUUUSSSSSS !

        “Sarah said you r that guy insinuating Cherokee not spy”

        Maybe….but that’s an assumption based on your preconceived storyline…there is no absolute truth to that statement at all. Chuck said Sarah (and Bryce) should be out there saving the world, but he wasn’t that guy. Sarah told him , ” How many times do you have to be a HERO to realize that you are that guy.” Hmmmm…. Chuck the Nerd Herd guy could still be a hero fixing computers !! Who frickin’ knew !!! Yeah…that’s what she meant FOR SURE !!! It’s a carved in stone absolute truth because Chris says so !!! LOL

        OOORRRRR ….. since Chuck was in the middle of a crisis and just saw his friend Bryce die, he flashed on what? Why did Bryce send me the Intersect ? Beckman telling him it’s time to be a spy. Sarah telling him he is a hero and he is that guy who can save the world. Chuck interpreted it as Sarah telling him he was a guy that could save the world, and since she’s a spy ( who Chuck thinks saves the world), maybe she thinks he can be a spy. For the life of me, I don’t know why Sarah would tell him he can be a hero and save the world if she just wants him to be a Nerd Herder. What the hell does she think they do behind that desk?

        As for not having a plan for life…that was pretty evident right from the start because he couldn’t quite chose a font !! He was probably working on his life plan and must have had it pretty well worked out because, as Sean and Chris like to point out, he had the world’s absolute greatest support system in Ellie and Morgan. But then he had this pesky Intersect downloaded into his head ( which was probably his fault, BTW), and it totally disrupted everything. Two years later, he gets it out, which I’m sure was part of the plan right off the bat, but, DAMN, he’s met a new girl who couldn’t commit to him while she was babysitting him, but now that he doesn’t need a babysitter, the big question becomes, ” Should I go back to my original 5 year plan to become Assistant Manager of Buy More” OR, “Maybe I should see if this beautiful woman is into me, like she intimated she might be ?” Choices…. .choices….

        I know what I’m doing …. I change my original plans and find out what’s up with this beautiful woman and her seeming interest in me….100% of the time I make that choice. BUT ….she says she’s leaving with my old nemesis …a GD spy for crying out loud !! HMMMM … I’d sure wish I was a spy if that’s the type of woman they get to hang with.

        But then again…he should have read her mind when she was looking down the beach at the rocks ……

      • First off Mr G, if your going to use that logic about Chuck not knowing. than Sarah didn’t know the truth about the red test. You have said Sarah should of known Chuck couldn’t pull the trigger except she saw Chuck put a ring agent in a choke hold what was she suppose to think.

      • “Sarah telling him he is a hero and he is that guy who can save the world. Chuck interpreted it as Sarah telling him he was a guy that could save the world, and since she’s a spy …”

        Let’s be honest. Communication in Chuck sucked big time – but technically speaking, rubbish communication was a plot device and part of the charm of the show.

        Sarah did not say she was going back to Bryce. She said she was working on the new intersect project. Her orders were issued immediately, and she said this would happen on their first date.

        Chuck asked her to go on a holiday. I mean, a holiday? What a moron.

        Chuck had no intersect in his head. He still did not have a plan. Let’s face it guys, the girl always wants the man to make the plans (they just want to hear them and see if they agree, then they might come up with an alternative). If Chuck had a plan, Sarah may have agreed or even modified it a little – but Chuck had NO PLAN.

        Chuck assumed he had time. Time was something he never had. Chuck had to grow up quick and make immediate decisions. And to be honest, this is why the easiest decision was to run away – Prague and American Hero etc … – running away gave them both TIME to make a decision.

        “it totally disrupted everything”

        If Chuck was using his brains, that intersect could have given him a way forward. Simple really, he had become a walking database. Now that’s a future.

        “Should I go back to my original 5 year plan to become Assistant Manager of Buy More”

        He turned that down already.

        “Maybe I should see if this beautiful woman is into me, like she intimated she might be ?”

        In between I will sleep with every other woman who makes herself available to me. Look to find any excuse to justify my behaviour and hope that it all works out in the end.

        “Choices…. .choices….”

        Chuck did not have a plan; he improvised.

      • Sean,
        “As we all know. Sarah proclaimed him to be ‘that guy’ at the end of Season 2, long before he re-downloaded the intersect.”

        He downloaded the Intersect 2.0 about an hour after she told him he was that guy ( and they were talking about being heroes that saved the world ). Chris seems to think Nerd Herders are heroes that save the world…….like Lester and Jeff.

      • Hey man,

        Jeff and lester were better spies than Chuck. Morgan was better than Chuck. Awesome was better than Chuck. Even Anna had moves.

        IMO Chuck is Chloe O’Brian with a computer in his head.

      • “and they were talking about being heroes that saved the world”

        No, Sarah clearly said, I don’t want to save the world.

      • “Jeff and lester were better spies than Chuck. Morgan was better than Chuck. Awesome was better than Chuck. Even Anna had moves.

        That says everything we need to know about where your POV is on the series and why almost all your views are total assumptions. Anyone of them could have taken Volkoff down, I suppose….

        Want to give me some examples of Jeff, Lester, Anna and Morgans prowess as spies ( I mean REAL spies……)

        “You have said Sarah should of known Chuck couldn’t pull the trigger except she saw Chuck put a ring agent in a choke hold what was she suppose to think.”

        That he was on Laudenol and wasn’t himself (since it takes away his emotions)? She was in the van when Casey told him to take the pill, and she knew what it did.

        Funny how Casey knew Chuck wasn’t a killer. Funny that Chuck TOLD Sarah he couldn’t kill the mole ….and she didn’t see him kill the mole BTW. She saw a dead guy and Chuck with the gun. She assumed he killed the mole…she didn’t ask him, she didn’t check the gun or the bullet…she didn’t do her job. And she didn’t answer her phone when Chuck was trying to call her and tell her what happened. Sarah TOLD Chuck she was leaving with Bryce, so unless he assumes everything Sarah says is a lie, then how is it the same ?

      • Morgan with out hesitation jumped into water to electrocute Casey’s former team.

        He lured a tiger into Awesome and Ellie’s apartment. he did that unarmed without question. He was willing to break his thumbs to get free.

        All things Chuck would of complained about.

        Jeff and Lester were better spies especially Jeff knew how to stalk which is excellent start at mastering the craft of spying. Hannah didn’t know they were stalking nor Anna.

        Anna would of been a great spy because she took on Michael Strahan

        so yes they all had better spy tendencies than Chuck.

        its the same because Sarah heard a gun shot one can only presume two and two. Where was there evidence to the contrary. Oh wait she is supposed to believe Chuck wasn’t capable of shooting the weapon.

        what your talking about ballistics is assumption as well. Sarah didn’t know it was going to make her almost kill someone.

      • Chuck taking down Volkoff was brilliant not going to take it away from him

        Taking down Shaw in Ring 2 was a brilliant plan. But Chuck is on the spot thinker most of the time, and that would be better because plans can always change as Cole said. Improvisation is always needed.

        As I said Chuck isn’t a spy, he was a guy that got lucky with a supercomputer in his head.

        for five years we heard Chuck ask or scream Sarah name when on missions or at home. prime example, in predator, after Beckman told him not to open the computer, he says “Sarah?’ or in the vault in Switzerland every time he was in trouble “Where’s Sarah?”

      • “Sarah TOLD Chuck she was leaving with Bryce”

        Finish the sentence – Sarah TOLD Chuck she was leaving with Bryce to work on the new intersect project.

        Now that is a completely different … and therefore confirms that Chuck only heard what he wanted to hear – “with Bryce”. Chuck never listened.

        This proves that Chuck wasn’t mature enough to have a relationship never mind be a spy.

        Chuck and Sarah did not talk much, so you may have thought, that when they do talk, Chuck would listen. He would also allow the girl to speak first at times as well, because what she might want to say could be important and change his thinking. Sarah may have wanted to say something, but we will never know, because Chuck had to speak first and that put Sarah in to listening mode only. I mean, she couldn’t talk to Chuck even if she wanted to because he wanted to do all the talking – and Chuck never talked, his entire sentence structure was closed, he spoke in statements and never wanted a response.

        If you don’t believe me, find a scene where Chuck allowed [a] sarah to talk first and [b] he did not make a statement with a closed sentence structure and just leave.

      • “what your talking about ballistics is assumption as well. Sarah didn’t know it was going to make her almost kill someone.”

        Ballistics is not based on assumption, it’s based on science. The second part of your statement is unreadable, but I’m sure you’re talking about the drug, which is supposed to completely eliminate your emotions. If she thinks that was all Chuck, she’s much more stupid than one would surmise….he was supposed to have no emotions, yet Sarah could stop him and bring back his emotions by calling out his name. ( that should have ben a clue to her right there, but she wasn’t very smart in S3). I am talking about Sarah telling Chuck one thing ( I’m leaving with Bryce in the morning), and you think Chuck is supposed to know she isn’t. WHY ?

        You’re making absolutely no sense. Just like your assertion that everyone was a better spy than Chuck, just because Morgan was a complete idiot ( a brave idiot ), Anna had taken martial arts ( she might have been a good spy if trained ), and Jeff and Lester were stalkers, which is not everything a spy needs. It’s like saying a guy is a great quarterback because he’s 6’4″. I think you need a few more attributes than that. Morgan, Anna, Jeff or Lester couldn’t have come up with the plan to get the kill screen and stop the launch of a nuclear weapon They couldn’t have come up with a plan to stop Volkoff. They probably couldn’t even figure out the chips for the smart bullets were sewn into the sequins of a dress. There’s more to being a good spy than only one skill. You’re being absolutely ridiculous.

      • “Ballistics is not based on assumption”

        HUH? There was no ballistics test?
        If they tested Chuck’s gun they would have realised he never fired it.

        Any way up, Chuck could kill someone.
        He nearly strangled someone to death when saving Casey’s family.

        Chuck was all screwed up so anything could have happened.
        But there was no ballistics test.

        ” I am talking about Sarah telling Chuck one thing ( I’m leaving with Bryce in the morning), and you think Chuck is supposed to know she isn’t. WHY ?”

        Again, complete the sentence. Sarah said, I’m leaving with Bryce to work on the new intersect project.

        The later part of that sentence is the most important bit, but the Chuck defenders only see the first part of the sentence. So that demonstrates how you have convicted Sarah. Not fair really; especially when Chuck was at fault.

        So where was Chuck’s big plan to sweep Sarah out of the spy world and make her want a real life? Sarah was waiting for that plan, after all, she stayed on at the wedding – she gave him plenty of time.

        Sarah only left the wedding due to what Chuck’s father had said.
        So technically, if Orion had not opened his mouth, Sarah would still be at the wedding.

      • “As I said Chuck isn’t a spy, he was a guy that got lucky with a supercomputer in his head.”

        Yet a lot of his plans were made without flashing on anything. But what is it you think most spies do ?

        I think you have a lot to learn if you think people go into the CIA or NSA with the total skill set required to be a spy. Why the hell do you think they train these people ?

      • “I love that Chuck”

        I agree. That was the Chuck everyone liked – including Sarah and Casey. Chuck was not a spy, he was just an ordinary guy who became a walking database.

      • Chuck 1.0 was better than Chuck 2.0 because he didn’t have the skill sets. While I understand the need for them. Chuck become overly dependent on the program.

        It’s sad because I feel TB never used Chuck strengths as an advantage.

      • “It’s sad because I feel TB never used Chuck strengths as an advantage.”

        Agreed. Fedak never really understood intersect 2.0 either. So how could Sarah, Casey, Morgan and others?

      • “Chuck 1.0 was better than Chuck 2.0 because he didn’t have the skill sets. While I understand the need for them. Chuck become overly dependent on the program.

        It’s sad because I feel TB never used Chuck strengths as an advantage.”

        But you didn’t like the whiny Chuck ??? That was part of the 1.0 – he didn’t have any skill sets. How long did Sarah take to be the spy that walked into the Buy More ? Chuck is supposed to become that spy in a couple of months …of course he’s going to be reliant on 2.0. And, he was always screwing up missions ? He wasn’t a spy as good as Morgan, Jeff or Lester ?? Seems to me he ran into a hotel that was about to explode to help defuse a bomb in the first episode. Seems to me he helped Casey find out where Tarnov had taken Sarah …and then left the car to go into a building to help save her.(2nd episode). Seems to me he defused a car bomb under the Santa Monica pier by cutting a wire because he was on the ball enough to know the bomb maker was lying to him. Seems to me he was on the CIA recruitment list in College before he ever downloaded the 1.0 Intersect. Should I go on, Chris, or have I made my point ? Chuck had a certain skill set that the CIA wanted. Did he rely on Sarah…you bet…but Chuck also realized that the reason they were the CIA’s best team was that they were, first and foremost, a team. Chuck had a lot of growing that needed to be done, and he had to do it quickly.

        You, Sean and Sarah S3 suffer the same problem…confirmation bias. You base your whole theory of what’s going on ( in the show) purely on assumptions. Observable facts that are contrary to your theory are ignored. Statements are ignored or classified as lies or white lies if they don’t support your theories. The whole basis of your understanding of the show is based purely on Sarah’s expressions. There is a problem with that in so much as, 1) you must assume that Yvonne nailed the expression the writer’s were trying to convey, and 2) that you completely understood the expression. Expressions are open for interpretation, to be sure. Yvonne has a wonderfully expressive face, to be sure. But basing every storyline on her expressions is, therefore, basing the storyline on an assumption. Yet you and Sean use assumptions as hard, cold facts. My feeling is that you guys would have been better off watching the series with the sound off, since the words every character used were of little importance.

        The other thing you and Sean do is take swipes at Chuck for no apparent reason. “Chuck wasn’t a planner”, out of the blue, is nothing but a cheap shot. No one in the show was a planner. No one in the show needed to be a planner …thinking on your feet is the hallmark of a good spy, it seems, because there were always unforeseen problems coming up. And then I give a number of examples of Chuck planning, and they are swept under the rug as irrelevant …. for example, he did plan his future after college..(work at Roark Industries and have his own software company by 28). Somehow, Bryce screwed up his plan. People who are overly task oriented ( such as inveterate planners, like my wife) have a hard time recovering when things don’t go according to plan. Chuck, due to his background, didn’t accommodate to the sudden change in plans. He was working on a five year plan….but he was a bit lost at that time of his life. He planned the Orion thing, he planned the Ring II takedown of Shaw. But, of course, that’s all irrelevant because he didn’t plan his life out with Sarah, so he isn’t a planner. (Like she had a great plan for her life with Chuck !!! But, of course…that’s OK, because she’s Sarah)

        And then you post some stupid thing like Chuck didn’t fight for Sarah at the end. You better go back and watch Chuck Vs. Sarah if you don’t think he wasn’t fighting for her. He lost Sarah…. the woman who he saw in The Goodbye wasn’t Sarah. What was he going to fight, who was he going to fight, in order to get her back?? Think of the shock to the system it must have been to see her like that. What was he supposed to do….smack her around a bit until she came to her senses ?? He would need time to work things out, and really have to find out what he was dealing with. This was not something you run up against every day. That was just another cheap shot, because you want to build up Sarah.

        You don’t need to do that…Sarah was a great character, but she was totally different than Chuck. They both had their faults. You two are as bad as the writers when it comes to Sarah…you think you have to tear down Chuck in order to build up Sarah, and you do it every post you write.

      • I don’t need to do it, Chuck did it himself. Let’s go through the history again.

        He spent five years to get over Bryce and Jill. He wallows in self pity in doing so.

        Harry Tang says Why would Big Mike tell him about the assistant manger’s job because he didn’t want to leave the comfort of the herd.

        Bryce sent Chuck the intersect and I understand the initial shock of it all would be hard to take

        The reason he liked being a nerd herder was so everyone can feed out of his hand. Did you ever hear Tang say W.W.C.D. no

        even Ellie and Devon feed out of the hand of Chuck. Except Ellie put Chuck in his place when he was wallowing in self pity.

        Sarah comes into his world and while “fell for her at first sight.” which is bogus because he didn’t even want to call her. It took Morgan to put him on the spot to even accept a date with her.

        Sarah had to work hard to stay in Chuck’s life most of the time. Sarah made the first moves in kissing and holding hands.

        Its sad that you always defend Chuck and base it on circumstance, but Chuck’s problem were self inflicted.. While Sarah’s issues always seem to be at the expense of others.

        Bryce turning Rogue to Chuck ditching her in Prague. Having to coddle Chuck through spy missions and risk getting kicked by a grenade. How many times did Chuck’s emotions cause the team to have to work harder.

        Casey said it best “Bartowski and the CIA how could it not go wrong.”

        I just see things differently than you and its fine.

      • Hey Mr G.
        That’s a big reply 🙂

        “But you didn’t like the whiny Chuck ???”

        As an alternative to Chuck (I want to be a spy take me seriously) I prefer the old ‘wet chuck’. At least he knew what he was capable of, but more importantly. He also understood that being their for those important to him topped everything else.

        “How long did Sarah take to be the spy that walked into the Buy More ? Chuck is supposed to become that spy in a couple of months …”

        Well, life is like that. Just because you need to do something does not mean life will make it easy for you. It never works out like for me.

        “And, he was always screwing up missions ? He wasn’t a spy as good as Morgan, Jeff or Lester ?? ”

        I never compared him to those characters. Not my words. But yes, if he wanted to be a spy, then he needs to live the life 24 hours a day. So he needs to go up to the next level almost overnight. Sarah wanted to give him time. Blame Shaw, Shaw was the guy pushing him.

        “Should I go on”
        This was the old Chuck. Not the new Mr Arrogant Chuck who knew it all.

        “Chuck also realized that the reason they were the CIA’s best team was that they were, first and foremost, a team.”

        So he gets mixed up with a civilian and quite happily allows Shaw to break his team dynamic. Not risk assessment, no plan – just Chuck falling prey of some deadly sins.

        “purely on assumptions”

        No way. We have given plenty of evidence.

        “Observable facts that are contrary to your theory are ignored”

        I give credit where credit is due.
        So what did I miss?

        “Statements are ignored or classified as lies or white lies … purely on Sarah’s expressions.”

        The ‘lie’ word is your word. I never use the word lie – read my posts.
        And no, not solely on her expressions, I have used plenty of evidence, but her expressions are a fundamental part of the story.

        “1) you must assume that Yvonne nailed the expression the writer’s were trying to convey”

        So you are now recognising that they are important.
        If she was wrong, blame the producer/director etc …

        ” 2) that you completely understood the expression. ”

        Maybe I do understand those expressions. Should I make something up instead? Tell it like it is, that’s what I always do.

        “Yet you and Sean use assumptions as hard, cold facts.”

        No, not entirely, but they are important and say more than words can ever do. A picture is worth a thousand words and an expression is the image of your soul.

        “My feeling is that you guys would have been better off watching the series with the sound off, since the words every character used were of little importance.”

        I do when the telephone rings hehehehe

        “Chuck wasn’t a planner”

        Prove me wrong. Chuck with intersect 2 up to American Hero was not a planner. Chuck 1.0 planned to get rid of the intersect, he did that, but he had no plan for his life.

        “thinking on your feet is the hallmark of a good spy”
        Not always.
        Chuck would be dead if it wasn’t for the members of his team.
        His first solo mission was a bust until Sarah flew the plane. Chuck even went on that mission without requesting training in ‘things’.

        “He was working on a five year plan”
        So does everyone.

        “And then you post some stupid thing like Chuck didn’t fight for Sarah at the end. ”

        You are jumping the gun.
        I said, he did not put any effort into Sarah during Season 3 up to American Hero. Season 5 is two years away yet (and it was Morgan who got him off his ass for that). Season 4 is where Chuck the man started to show his face – another 12 months away.

        Chuck is not a god.
        Chuck is fallible.
        Chuck is open to attack just like every other character on the show as long as evidence is presented. And yes, I have presented evidence.

        We are talking about a Season 3 Chuck in Vs The Mask. Not a Chuck who is yet to come or a Chuck that has been. A Chuck who slept with another girl on the same day the presumed love of his life nearly died.

        The Chuck that was (S1 & S2) was a man who tried hard to be a better person. Chuck in Season 3 (to this episode) was a busted flush. Chuck in this episode lacked grace. Chuck to come, is a better Chuck.

      • “How long did Sarah take to be the spy that walked into the Buy More ? Chuck is supposed to become that spy in a couple of months …”

        Sarah asked him, “Some people want to be heroes others have to be ask…Well Chuck are you ready?

      • Chuck was a rotten egg in this episode.

        I have given plenty of evidence, but if you are quite happy for Chuck to act the way he did, then that’s fine with me.

      • @Sean

        It’s all I am saying, the reason Chuck 2.0 was a disaster is just that. I prefer Chuck from Season S1 S2 and S4 because he put others before himself and did things like Tom Sawyer. i don’t like Chuck in Beefcake and Nemesis walking around like Woe is me.

        oh the pain….

      • “oh the pain….”

        I also like Chuck in Season 1,2,4 and 5. Yes, even Season 5.

        For Season 3, I liked Chuck in American Hero and onwards.

        But in the first half of Season 3 – Chuck was a rotten egg and the failing of the show was based on the writers attitude towards assassinating Chuck who in turn assassinated Sarah and Casey and Morgan and and and …

        The writers went at the show with a carving knife and then introduced Hannah (WMD) – why? who knows.

        As I keep saying, bad writers, poor Chuck; but we shouldn’t blame the other characters for Chuck’s behaviour.

      • “i am not blaming Chuck’s behavior on anyone. All i said, Chuck was a hero not a spy.”

        Not in this episode. Not in the first half of season 3.
        Being a hero was something that was missing in Chuck at present.

      • “If they tested Chuck’s gun they would have realised he never fired it.”

        Poppycock….he shot once in the air. Sarah should have noticed 2 shots were fired..she was right there in the area. Like I said, she saw Chuck with a gun. She saw a dead mole. She did not see Chuck kill the mole. She made an assumption based on confirmation bias, and then didn’t check her facts afterwards. Same as with the Laudenol….she knew it would take away all Chuck’s emotions so the Intersect would work with no input from Chuck’s moral code. She saw Chuck choking the Ring agent, she called his name…and somehow his emotions kicked back in, even while on the drug. That’s interesting in and of itself. But, once again, due to confirmation bias, she chose to focus on Chuck choking the Ring agent rather than the effect of the drug, or the fact that she could bring Chuck’s emotions back in check with just her voice.

        “Chuck asked her to go on a holiday. I mean, a holiday”

        Yeah…a romantic holiday. Sarah had never committed to him. Look at the way she acts in Season 3 and 4 whenever Chuck suggests some very normal couple activity? Moving in together, unpacking her suitcase, someday getting married, having kids …all stuff you do to plan for a future together. Sarah freaks out. So what would you idiots do to scare her off, I mean, sweep her off her feet ?? A romantic holiday sounds like a pretty good deal to grab a little together TIME and work some issues out. (Your confirmation bias is strong here, young Jedi)

        “Finish the sentence – Sarah TOLD Chuck she was leaving with Bryce to work on the new intersect project.”

        Chuck wasn’t the Intersect. Bryce was Chuck’s worse nightmare. Chuck reacted as any guy would, especially one who just put his heart out there. It wasn’t the response he expected after Barstow. After he settled down, he explained it to Sarah. They (Sarah and Bryce) were the heroes that were out there saving the world…he wasn’t that guy. Sarah told him he was a hero and he was that guy. Why she did that …compare him to Bryce, telling him he was a hero that could save the world …I don’t know. Seemed like she wanted him to consider continuing to be a hero saving the world ….but she was probably lying, as usual. 😉

        Doesn’t matter what she was thinking or was about to tell him, she never got to tell him. Bryce never got to tell him. You guys are twisting the storyline to make Chuck look like a bad guy here. There is no bad guy…it was an unfortunate series of events that prevented Sarah from telling Chuck she was staying in Burbank. Why you guys make that Chuck’s fault is beyond me. Well, not really…confirmation bias to make Chuck the bad guy in the series.

      • Again you are blaming other characters for Chuck’s failure.

        If any one did that in the real world, they would be left out in the cold. You only have yourself to blame in this world. I was always told, don’t use others as to hide your own short comings.

  8. Here’s a question about the Chuck run to the museum for the counteragent.

    Since Chuck didn’t try to break in to Castle to rescue Sarah, why didn’t Sarah(or Shaw) just grab one of the guns that were in the armoury and shoot themselves out immediately…rather than wait until Sarah was almost unconscious ? I mean, if all you have to do is fire a gun inside Castle and the whole security system fails, wouldn’t you think that would have been a good move ? Sarah could have just said, ” Hey Chuck…go outside so the gas doesn’t affect you, and we’ll meet you out there in a minute. That way we can car share over to the museum.”

    Seems like a logical plan from a couple of master spies, doesn’t it ?

      • Why contain it ? No one was in Castle except Chuck and he was safe outside. I mean, isn’t it Sean’s contention that Shaw was the big hero here, and Chuck moved without planning ? Doesn’t this show that Sarah and Shaw didn’t plan well either ?

      • I think the scene was screwed up when Sarah and Shaw were talking about how nice it was for him to kiss her neck when clearly she didn’t like it.

        Not an assumption either, she was quite annoyed with his advances through the night. It still making me scratch my head.

        I don’t agree with Chuck having to get them out of castle because that would take time. The guns were inside with Shaw and Sarah.

        Chuck could of called Casey to come down, but with time allocated. It did put Chuck in a bad spot, but I do agree with him when it comes to Sarah didn’t want Shaw to leave her alone.

      • “I mean, isn’t it Sean’s contention that Shaw was the big hero here”

        Step back chaps …. (you are putting words in my mouth)

        I never called Shaw a hero. Chuck called Shaw a hero, not me. Shaw saved himself and in so doing, saved Sarah. Shaw was motivated to save himself first.

        Sarah did not consider Shaw to be a hero.
        I agree with Sarah.

        “Chuck moved without planning”

        Chuck came up with an idea without thinking it through.
        There was no risk assessment.
        And true to form, his plan failed; consequently Sarah was left to die.

        All he had to do, was take her to the museum first.

        Let’s say Chuck’s plan was brilliant:
        Chuck could have told Sarah there and then that he loved her and he will be back for asap. The last time they were going to die they kissed; but this time round, Chuck shows no affection, doesn’t even check on Sarah’s condition and then SLEEPS WITH THE STALKER – just to rub salt in her wounds (and justifies it by using Shaw’s actions as a ‘get out’ clause).

        Stop trying to justify Chuck by blaming the other characters. Chuck is the star of the show. The only people you can point blame at are the writers.

    • I’m still waiting to find out how you 2 Casanova’s would have handled Sarah at Ellie’s wedding, knowing that she was a commitment – a – phobe. I suppose the right thing to do would be to have gone straight to weddings and babies …’cause that ALWAYS works with the Big Fish……

      • “I’m still waiting to find out how you 2 Casanova’s would have handled Sarah at Ellie’s wedding, knowing that she was a commitment – a – phobe.”

        Well for a start-off. Chuck had no plan. No intersect and no plan, so he needed a plan. Yes, finding out that Sarah would be working with the new intersect was a blow but he never asked the question:

        The question is:

        “Sarah. What about me, what about us and would there be room for me in Washington? I want to go with you …”

        If he hit her with a question like that, then we would see how Sarah would react. Naturally,the screen writers did not want some commitment on her behalf at that time – but by placing the ball in Sarah’s court. In order for the show to continue, then a compromise would be required on her behalf and yes, Chuck would have got the girl.

        Now ignoring the fact that this is a TV show and analysing the above question for a real life situation. Again, it would force Sarah to show her hand, the answer would not be immediate, but it means the seed has be sown and yes, it is possible that Chuck would have been invited to Washington after she arrived. Because we know she would miss him and Chuck has already said – I want to go where you go.

        Chuck could always try for a job as an analyst or get a job in the private sector. He has a Stanford degree now …

        Compromise all round i think. Job done. Happy Chuck and happy Sarah.

  9. C’mon …
    NOBODY liked whiney woe-is-me-Chuck. That’s pretty well a given.

    NOBODY liked A-hole Chuck from early S3 who left Sarah in Prague and slept with Hannah …that, too, is a given.

    NOBODY liked Sarah being a whiney woe-is-me type in early S3, who doesn’t ever speak to Chuck about what she feels. ( according to most of the Twitter chat).

    NOBODY ( except Chris ) likes Shaw as a love interest for Sarah, and most don’t like him at all.

    A majority of people feel the writers screwed with the heart of the show, and a large number of viewers left. I’d be surprised if those who left and those who hated the arc blamed it 100% on Chuck’s actions. And not 100% of Chuck’s actions in early S3 were inexcusable. The Three Words were commendable ( although late ). Rescuing Devon was commendable. Bunkering Manoosh to keep him and his technology safe was commendable. Protecting Morgan from being bunkered was commendable. Helping clear Casey’s name was commendable. Fighting 6 Ring agents in Kath’s house was commendable ( although he got fried for it by Sarah ). Saying the Hell with it and trying to arrest the Mole was commendable, although, once again, Sarah fried him for it. Everything that Chuck did seemed to be a battle with the Dark Side, though. He was usually put in a No-Win situation …damned if he do, damned if he don’t. I guess we just have to accept that you can ONLY see the damned part, while Sarah is the apple of your eye. I love Sarah, but I don’t think she’s perfect. I don’t think we have to always point out Chuck’s faults in order to make Sarah’s faults less “shiny”.

    Chris….you think maybe you’d get more participation on this site if you renamed it Saraholics or Ihatebartowski.com ??? That’s really what it is….except for me, of course.

    • For this episode I have merely been pointing out the bits I did not like, namely Chuck. For the previous episodes I have also weighed my debate against other characters.

      Apples or oranges, in this episode, until Chuck drops Hannah – he remains the bad boy. Shaw, I already hate him – as I said, he was there to weaponise Chuck any way he could – but he became a good villain for the rest of the show and a rallying point for the team. Sarah in this episode was not the Sarah we know, but she had no way out. She was stuck in a round hole looking for a corner.

      For the next few episodes we are going to find issues that non of use agree on but in a race to the bottom, no one wins.

      • For this EPISODE ???/ You’re joking, right.

        You never miss a chance to rip Chuck for any of his perceived weaknesses in any of the whole series. Same with Chris…it’s your MO.

      • What can I say – ‘don’t call the kettle black?.’

        Chuck was given a real shot at destiny (the girl and the chance to do spy missions), a dream life for a no-hoper and he blew it on so many levels. It’s like being given a million dollars in cash and then losing it on the way home. The phrase we use over here – ‘what a plonker’.

      • Shaw wasn’t smart enough to weaponize Chuck.

        Although a good idea, none of that happened. You’re seeing stuff that wasn’t there.

      • No Shaw wasn’t smart enough.

        But he did manage to split him from Sarah, send him on a first mission, give him a red test, nearly steal Sarah from under his nose and then nearly kill Sarah.

        Not bad for a dumb-ass Shaw.

      • ALL because Sarah (and Casey and Beckman and Chuck) was stupider than Shaw was. Not because of Shaw.

      • That’s quite harsh.

        Lowering the perceived intelligence of everyone serves no purpose but to reflect poorly on Chuck. Surely you would say that Shaw ‘was a very good spy’. Sarah recognised this, and so did Chuck. By doing this, you raise the bar and ensure that any measurement of Chuck’s actions are due to his environment/situation rather than his limited intelligence.

        As I said, in a race to the bottom, no one wins.

        😉

      • SHOW me when/where Shaw was a good spy.

        Yes, were told this (ad nauseum) but ALL his actions in First Class, Mask, Fake Name, Beard, and American Hero SHOW me otherwise.

        Therefore the only conclusion is that between S2 and S3 everybody drank Shaw Kool-Aid that drppws their IQ.

        The smart and resourceful characters that had previously existed were nowhere to be seen in order to sell the new male lead of the show.

      • See it comes down to this.

        Some hate Shaw and some like me don’t I like Shaw and its well known why.

        Shaw had a 12 episode order so he isn’t a typical guest start He had more impact in those 12 episodes than Bryce other than turning rogue and sending Chuck the Intersect.

        Shaw shot Orion, made Chuck use a gun. was able to orchestra a master plan in S5 to be able to get Chuck to help unleash the omen virus. Oh BTW from a 6 inch cell.

        Yea, a dumbass for sure.

      • Shaw also sped up Chuck training. and not the way Casey and Sarah were doing it, and Chuck loved it.

        See what I notice about people who said they hate Shaw was the way he came and took care of things. He didn’t care about people feelings, but when Alex Forrest came everyone said that was a great character.

        Alex forrest cost Sarah her job, but she was cool Shaw wasn’t

        I am not ashamed to say I love Shaw.

      • I gave my evidence,

        Shaw never was interested in coming to Burbank He came as a favor for Beckman. He came to a team that was dysfunctional. He was in midst of battle a faction that was tougher than Fulcrum.

        He knew everything about the team which means he knew Chuck and Sarah were into each other. Shaw was rough just like Casey use to be.

        Every thing was about the mission. he was right Chuck was never going to advance as long as Sarah and Casey kept him out of harms way. Chuck did well on his first solo mission because Shaw showed confidence in him.

        He even wanted to give him a chance to solve luring sidney and her crew.

        I would go on to list my evidence, but I am wrong so why continue

      • @Sean,

        It seems to me that if we give our opinion to the contrary or not conventional we destroying Bartowski, but in the end they all have flaws.

        but, hey I never said I was conventional

      • @Chris

        You’re right.

        I also think people try to recognise the plight of CB as a reflection of themselves. I try to call it as I see it and as you know, on other threads in this site I have attacked Sarah’s behaviour. However, we all need to recognise, a man chases a woman, so in this respect, Chuck is the one who must do the work; and given he chosen target, he needs to work that much harder. It is the law of the jungle and women know it.

        I feel sorry for Chuck, he was a basket case due to bad writing; but I still say that shooting holes in everyone does not make Chuck look any better. Technically, in this episode I cannot fault Sarah. She was reacting but if we want to just say they are all bad – in a race to the bottom, no one wins.

      • “SHOW me when/where Shaw was a good spy.”

        I think I covered that in what he managed to achieve.
        He was only bettered by Hannah and Quinn.

      • Sacrificing the show’s main character’s intelligence in order to make any of what you say happened happen.

      • You’ve given examples of Shaw in action and your opinion is that you really love him. That’s an example of making an opinion, and backing it up with a concrete observation.

        When Sarah tells Chuck that he is a hero that saves the world…that he is that guy, just like Bryce, and then STATE CATEGORICALLY that she didn’t want him to be a spy ( in spite of that statement ), then you deserve to be taken down a notch. 😉

        It’s your use of expressions as concrete evidence where you’ll often get in trouble …and I bet you’ll be persuaded to see an expression a certain way if Sean tells you to see it this way or that way. But, then again, he’ll often tell you when Sarah is telling the truth or lying as well. It’s tough for the rest of us that don’t have the powers of the Illuminati. The only way the rest of us can tell when she’s lying is when she tells Chuck one thing when we’ve SEEN her do something else. Sean can tell if she’s lying by things like her head tilt being slightly more than 10º, or her eyes or her smile being a millimetre away from normal. Lucky guy …..

      • “When Sarah tells Chuck that he is a hero that saves the world”

        Sarah said thisL ‘how many times do I have to tell you are that guy’, then she says “I don;t want to save the world”.

        I don’t recall your version of events.

        “It’s tough for the rest of us that don’t have the powers of the Illuminati. The only way the rest of us can tell when she’s lying is when she tells Chuck one thing when we’ve SEEN her do something else.”

        Women eh …
        They are the same the world over, tell you one thing but mean something else; and women see this mis-direction as fun, part of the course and something guys need to get use to.

        BTW.
        Guys make facial expressions and use body language as well.

      • Well, Sarah Walker (Yvonne), if you ever have a chance to read this.

        Ignore these people.
        You were not the villain. You were a victim; and any one who sees it differently is victimising you. I may stand alone in this opinion (but in this case I really doubt it). Sleep well …

        🙂

      • I certainly don’t blame Sarah exclusively. it was set up by the misunderstanding at Ellie’s wedding and then it spiralled. Once Chuck made the decision to download 2.0, he was stuck. I mean, why would the CIA and NSA just ignore an Intersect when the had to put their 2 best agents on 1.0 ?

        Sure, Chuck then became enamoured with being a spy, but he finally found a purpose in life. And he did think it was something that Sarah had wanted. Sarah compounded the problem to be sure…Chuck gave her a chance to speak in Three Words…and she passed. Her silence spoke volumes in the remaining arc. Once Chuck started getting lost in a world he little understood, he made some pretty horrible decisions. Although we saw that Sarah cared about what was happening to Chuck, she never lifted a finger to help him.

        It was so much unlike the Sarah and Chuck we knew.

      • I agree Gary,

        It’s like at the end of S3, why would the cIA be ok with Chuck walking away. See thats the real mistake of prague. They weren’t going to get far either they realize like they did in HOneymooners it was a mistake or Casey would come after them. I also made it clear that the red test was Sarah’s weak point in the story.

        I wrote about it, why was it ok for her to kill Mauser in order to protect him, but if indeed Chuck’s final exam includes the red test than Chuck had no choice but to do it.

        It also shows the distrust in the team that they couldn’t tell each other what happened, but the team really never trusted each other. It’s important to note each season the team worked alone soon to have the team to make the save together. Distrust always was there

      • “I wrote about it, why was it ok for her to kill Mauser in order to protect him, but if indeed Chuck’s final exam includes the red test than Chuck had no choice but to do it.”

        I thought it was obvious really? No? Never mind.

      • “Chuck gave her a chance to speak in Three Words”

        It was a monumental moment and given the fact that Sarah had not had this opportunity before. I think she got stage fright – come on, people don’t speak on demand. At that point in time Chuck had over 50 episodes speaking first and not listening. 50 episodes, 2 years or 50 tv hours. That’s a lot of screen time to keep saying you are breaking up and never airing a possible plan.

        “Although we saw that Sarah cared about what was happening to Chuck, she never lifted a finger to help him.”

        After what Chuck had done to her, i was not surprised. I see that happen all the time. A reflection of real life really.

      • ” I think she got stage fright – come on, people don’t speak on demand. At that point in time Chuck had over 50 episodes speaking first and not listening. 50 episodes, 2 years or 50 tv hours. That’s a lot of screen time to keep saying you are breaking up and never airing a possible plan.”

        I was talking more about speaking at some point after hearing the three words ( the explanation ). At least she knew that Chuck still loved her, but she didn’t want to talk about it, which is OK. The problem being that Sarah couldn’t now use the , “It’s only a cover” excuse she often used whenever Chuck allowed her to speak in the first 2 seasons. It was more comfortable for her just to have no relationship with him instead, other than friends.

        As for his plan, wasn’t it to get the Intersect out of his head so as to end the Asset / Handler dynamic and thus be allowed to have a real relationship ? Isn’t that what Sarah had told him was the reason they couldn’t pursue a “real” relationship ? Wasn’t the only other option to be a spy, like Bryce ? I thought they had that conversation ?? Maybe not…

      • “As for his plan, wasn’t it to get the Intersect out of his head so as to end the Asset / Handler dynamic and thus be allowed to have a real relationship ? ”

        He achieved that, then his next plan was go on a holiday …

        I must say, this was a remarkable plan and a major achievement for a famous hacker and a man whose brain could manage the intersect.

        “Maybe not…”

        Maybe not is the actual answer. Chuck never imagined himself outside of Burbank. His thinking was too small.

        Seriously, why did he not want to go with Sarah.

        Why did he not push the button and say let’s go to Washington together. He did not have to work for the CIA, he had options, he a Stanford degree.

        Why stay in Buy More and Burbank when he could have anything in the world. What a plonker.

      • “Why stay in Buy More and Burbank when he could have anything in the world. What a plonker.”

        Because he was comfortable being Nerd Herder as Harry Tang said.

      • “comfortable being Nerd Herder”

        And pass up on a life with Sarah?

        Oh well. With that attitude I will say, at that point Chuck didn’t deserve her; and maybe, if that was still his primary motivation, maybe he never did and that’s why things went pear shaped in Season 5.

        Maybe this was Fedak’s way of telling us; but it was a shame that Sarah had to be sacrificed to do it. Making her, the true hero of the show. So maybe Fedak didn’t hate Sarah, maybe, just maybe, Fedak had it in for Chuck.

        Now there’s a point of discussion …

      • I remember that scene in Tango, when Morgan, Ellie and Devon were discussing Chuck’s future and in Casey’s apartment we have another discussion about Chuck’s future.

        Chuck didn’t say a word during interrogation from Ellie and to boot. Chuck wasn’t happy about applying for Assistant Managers job. It almost seemed like Chuck was stuck in neutral.

        Sarah was the one saying what Chuck would of if he was in the briefing. she spoke the truth. He didn’t have training and her job was hard with Chuck there it was tougher.

        I just see Chuck pretty much for two years, didn’t know what or who he wanted.

      • “Chuck was stuck in neutral”

        That about sums up Chuck until American Hero.
        Sarah described him as a little duck, so obviously she had faith in him.

      • He quit the Buy More, but that’s OK…confirmation bias doesn’t allow you remember that point.

        And what, pray tell, was your plan to sweep Sarah off her feet at Ellie’s wedding ??? Us poor saps could use some advice from you 2 Casanova’s.

      • “He quit the Buy More”

        Yes as he had an excellent new job to go to.

        “And what, pray tell, was your plan to sweep Sarah off her feet at Ellie’s wedding ??? ”

        I replied to this hours ago. ?????
        See response – NOVEMBER 30, 2014 AT 1:49 PM

        It’s all there …

      • That would be a great answer if Chuck hadn’t proposed the romantic vacation BEFORE Sarah gave him the Washington ( and Bryce) news. I don’t know what planet you live on, but, believe me, most women would jump at a chance to spend a few weeks on a romantic vacation with a man they were crazy about. It was a good move…he just didn’t know Sarah had other plans. And hearing the name Bryce isn’t going to sit well when it involves Sarah AND Bryce ….Chuck’s reaction was well within reason in the real world.

        He quit the Buy More…..so your crap about him wanting to stay at the Nerd Herd desk is rendered BS by a fact…but don’t let the FACTS get in the way of the Chuck story you and Chris have percolating in your minds. It’s more fun to talk about the series that most people have watched, IMHO.

        “What are you going to do outside the Buy More ?”…… Chuck said…”Anything I want.”
        And you call that not dreaming big ? Your prerogative I guess. First thing is to get the girl, IMHO…go away with her, discuss life, what she wants to do, what I want to do ….see if we can build a life together. Of course, Chuck could just make up Sarah’s mind for her…but my thinking is, that, for a woman who takes charge of a lot of situations, maybe she should have some input. (He could just crack her over the head and drag her to his cave…at least, in your misogynist world, Sean).

        “Chuck never imagined himself outside of Burbank. His thinking was too small.”

        Yet, he ended up in Burbank with the girl of his dreams. The girl who said, ” You’re my home, Chuck. You always have been.”, while she was unpacking her suitcase…IN BURBANK.
        Burbank was too small, but Sarah got herself twisted out of shape seeing someone eat in her dining room …. IN BURBANK !!!

        Sorry if these facts, once again mess with your Chuck series of the mind. You’re free to ignore these facts…as you often do.

      • “It is me who is providing the defence of Sarah.”

        “However, we all need to recognise, a man chases a woman, so in this respect, Chuck is the one who must do the work; and given he chosen target, he needs to work that much harder. It is the law of the jungle and women know it.”

        Yes…misogynist…. Sarah doesn’t need a defender. She needed a way to speak her mind. She was partly to blame for the mess in S3. Saying she is in a round hole looking for a corner is a male’s excuse coming to the rescue of a very capable woman …you view her as the weaker sex. That’s misogynist. Men chase the women …also misogynist. The great thing about Chuck ( the show ) up until S3 was the fact that they turned the misogynists like you on your ears with a strong female lead and a “weaker” male lead…they did the old gender switcheroo. Seems a lot of males couldn’t handle that, so they went back to the traditional macho male heel and weepy, woe-is-me female in S3.

        Sad really.

      • Misogyny is the hatred or dislike of women or girls. Misogyny can be manifested in numerous ways, including sexual discrimination, denigration of women, violence against women, and sexual objectification of women.

        I pass. That is not something I want to be accused of.

      • We tend to use it as a synonym for sexist or chauvinist here…. in the true sense, misogyny is perhaps too strong. Choose either chauvinist or sexist, if you prefer.

    • Chuck said, “Listen Sarah, you and Bryce…you deserve to be out there, being heroes and saving the world. I’m just not that guy.”

      Sarah replied, ” How many times do you have to be a hero to realize that you ARE that guy.”

      Chuck said, ” But I want more…I want it all …yada yada…”

      Sarah said, ” I don’t want to save the world….”, and then was cut off.

      Now MY take on the conversation is that Sarah and Bryce are heroes who save the world because they are world class spies. Chuck believes he just isn’t that type of guy. Sarah’s response seems to be saying that he actually is the type of guy who can be a spy.

      The “I want it all ” line is interesting from the aspect that it would seem he was dreaming big, but I defer to your brilliance … I guess he wasn’t.

      But then again, you seemed to indicate it was a very long time between the “you are that guy”…conversation and Chuck downloading 2.0. It was less than an hour.

      But, of course, all is rendered moot because chuck didn’t have a plan…and Sarah was ALL about he plan. Like in Prague… ( ,” We’ll figure it as we go…”)…..OK maybe not Prague. Well…in Paris….OK…we better not use Paris, since they were just running on the train and didn’t really have a destination.

      Man….if they only taken a couple of weeks to get away and plan their lives, wouldn’t that have been great ??? Yeah…but they never really got the chance now, did they.

  10. You see, the purpose of the misery arc was (among other things) to essentially make Chuck “worthy” of Sarah. (I never thought he was unworthy)

    The problem is, that by the end of this arc, Sarah is no longer worthy of Chuck (without 5 or 6 more episodes before DYLM).

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