Chuck vs Operation Awesome

The fourth episode of season three was the start of Sarah softening from the blow of Prague. What I mean is she was not as edgy as she was the first three episodes. Maybe because she was watching Chuck wallow at the thought of his brother-in-law being mixed up in CIA business and Bartowski blames himself.

Is this foreshadowing to the future, who knows, but the truth is Chuck vs  Operation Awesome is a very underrated episode. It reveals who the man at Beckman’s desk was. The man who many fans hate, but for this author, Daniel Shaw came into the story at the right time.

We also get a nice moment between Chuck and Sarah for the first time in this season. So, Let’s begin Operation Awesome where Angel De La Muerte ended.

At the end of De La Muerte,  Devon went to see his last patient, the patient turned out to be The Ring agent hired to kill the premier. He lured Devon so he  Hostage.

It forced Sarah to come to Chuck’s pad to let him know the development. Both Chuck and Sarah are visibly disturbed by this, and when Ellie asked did they see her husband, they just looked at each other.

I hate to be the Berrier of Bad News
She has to report the kidnapping of Devon to Chuck

After Ellie asked them were Devon was

When Operation Awesome starts, Devon was seen gagged and sitting on a chair up on a roof of a high riser. The baddie of the episode who by the way is a very sexy woman in her own right. Angie Harmon, best known for her role on Law and Order was still hot.

Angie Harmon played Sidney, a Ring leader known for recruiting CIA and NSA agents to join the rogue organization. If they didn’t join chances were they were dead. One more thing about the Sidney, she broke the whipping stick in this episode more on that when it comes.

Sidney threatens Devon if he didn’t cooperate, she would send the good doctor down to the curb, and not by the stairs or elevator. Sidney was going to chuck him off the roof down to the pavement. It scared the bejesus out of Devon.

Angie Harmon as SidneyScary enough Devon Devon told Sidney she had the wrong man, but she didn’t buy into it. She said she knew exactly who he was, and the fact he was one of the CIA’s top agents. She asked him any bumps, bruises after all she needed Devon in tip-top shape for the mission she was going to use him for.

I know who you are Devon Back at Castle, Chuck was pacing back and forth whiny about the whereabouts of Devon. He was annoying enough for both Casey and Sarah to advised him the best thing for him was to go to work and calm down.  However, Chuck was not listening. He told them if they really want him to calm down then don’t say to calm down because it doesn’t work.

He looked at the monitor and saw Ellie on the cell phone calling Devon, and if he didn’t call for him, she would call Chuck as well.

Chuck  panicking about Devon

Sarah watching Chuck Spiraling

He continues his tirade and relaxes and heads back to work, but that’s not any easier because an irate customer and Jeffster’s question we get one of the funniest scenes from Chuck.

Listening to Chuck speak Thai
Sarah still getting use to Intersect 2.0 skill sets. Chuck speaking Thai gave Sarah this expression. If Chuck speaking Thai was shocking what about a roundhouse?

After watching Chuck punt Lester into the third Aisle

After sending Lester into the third aisle, Sarah said its time to get Chuck out of the store.  She told him they know who took Devon, and it was the Ring. Chuck freaked out even more with this development. Yes Chuck, the same faction that took out Bryce.

While Chuck had his back to the door, Sarah can see Devon coming into the store. While Chuck was relieved, Devon looked like a ghost.

Yes there are other nightmarish things that could happen

Now the first half of this episode was annoying because I am not a big fan of this side of Chuck. I understand his brother-in-law was kidnaped, but please as Aaron Rodgers said “R E L A X” He would relax as soon he saw Devon and give his brother-in-law a big hug

Sarah seeing Devon coming

Devon is scared

Devon would let them know Sidney and the Ring think he is Chuck.  It was an interesting story plot in confusing Devon with Chuck, but as Casey said in the briefing. One looks like a spy the other looks like well like Chuck.

The Ring thinks Devon is the spy in the family

In Castle, Beckman and the team were trying to explain to Chuck the only way to protect Devon would be to use him. Chuck was not down with this. He wanted to get Awesome back to Ellie, but the team and Beckman were not hearing it.

This is where I begin my analysis of the episode. After three years on the job, Chuck still doesn’t understand the chain of command. He puts Sarah in tough spots because if he doesn’t get his way, he immediately turns to Sarah like she can say or do something. Casey, who is a colonel had to answer to Beckman. Sarah with no rank like Casey has to fall inline as well.

It often reminds me of that scene in a Few Good Men, when Demi Moore keeps jabbing with the judge about a ruling, she argue enough to make the judge  remind her of the rules of the court. Same concept. Chuck made his protest now move on Bartowski.

The team talking on how to keep Devon safe

The other issue is I have read in other sites that Sarah became submissive in this episode to her superiors again, and grant it she seems that way, but for argument sake, Devon was being hunted by the Ring. We know Chuck’s friends and family mean more to him then his own life, but they were right.

They had to use Devon in order to protect him. Chuck should’ve known this already. He did it himself when using Jill to flush out The Uncle with Jill. The circumstances were different, but he still had to use Jill in that capacity. Again, Chuck acting like spoiled little school girl. No don’t use my brother-in-law. SMH as I write this.

Chuck stood up and said Devon’s days as a spy were over. he was going to take Devon back home, but Sarah told him the only way we can protect Devon is to use him. Devon turned to Chuck and asked him,  if  he can get him through it, he would do it.” Chuck looked at Chuck and back at Sarah. What choice did you have Chuck?

 

It can be frustrating to hear each time Bartowski doesn’t get his way and tries to get his partners to go against the general. I often yell at the television. This is the weight of the land Chuck. Your boss is giving you a direct order. He also makes Sarah look like she doesn’t care as a result. It’s really selfish Chuck at work here.

This won’t be the only time in this episode Chuck was not respectful towards instruction. I will go in more detail on it when that part of the episode comes up.

Morgan Promotion

Before we move forward with the episode, Morgan and Big Mike were talking in his office earlier in the episode. Big Mike praised Morgan for the change in his demeanor and the spunk in his walk. He said it looked like  Morgan wanted to run with the big dogs.

As a result, Mike offered Grimes the assistant manager position, which Morgan would accept. I was really proud of Morgan to finally take the leap of faith on himself. I always felt Morgan was the one who made the biggest change from season one until now. He was no longer the slacker, lackey and most important Chuck’s shadow.

So, when Chuck saw him in the assistant manger’s vest  Chuck was happy for his little buddy. I was too.

Morgan promotedChuck proud of his little buddy

Back to the main story,

Chuck brought Awesome home, and instantly Ellie came out of the apartment. She was a worried wife, and rightfully so. She had not heard from Awesome in a day, and the scene would turn out to be the second funniest scene of the episode.

Ellie makes some of the funniest expressions follow by Chuck behind her as Devon goes off reservation with the lie, and started talking about the bear. Another classic Chuck moment.

Devon’s failed attempt at deceiving made Chuck move in for the kill.  Chuck used a lie framing Casey getting drunk. Devon was down at the station all night trying to get Casey off on drunken and disorderly charges. Ellie believed them, and when Casey came out of his apartment she gave him a look of disgust. Casey would ask what happened? Chuck would just say nothing.

The team is reminding Chuck what it was like for him

Devon told the team Sidney would call. While the team waited for an update. Chuck was asking what do they do if she does call. Chuck didn’t have to wait long. Sidney called and left a package on his doorstep. Inside the package was an earwig, Ring Phone and watch.

Devon Freaking out Team concerned tooWhat is cool about this scene is they are working together. There is no snipping going between the team. There is genuine concern how to deal with this. Chuck is not whining, He is in full control.

Then the call happens, Sidney gave Devon his mission, he was to go to this building below, and wait for further instructions. The team assured him that was normal procedure. Sidney told Devon to put the earwig in, and she turned it on from her phone.

Crystal Towers

Sidney would throw a curveball by saying if he deviated from the plan in away she would activate the device in his ear. Team Bartowski looked at each other with agreement. This was not standard at all.

The team arrives at the building, and gave instruction to Devon about the two watches on his wrists one for the bad guys and the other for them. It was very clever plan to not confuse Devon.

Chuck assuring Devon not to worry

At the beginning of this article, I talked about how I thought Chuck’s antics in the beginning were annoying at times, this part of the episode is the Chuck I prefer. He is in command and takes action.

Sidney contacts Devon, who was waiting outside the building. She told him to get to the penthouse. Security is tight, but she sounded confident in Devon’s abilities. Further, she would contact him again once up there.

It was decision time for Chuck,  he decided he would lead his brother-in-law up to the penthouse himself. In this scene, we get the song of the episode, Spoon’s Got Nuffin played.

On their way up, Chuck told Devon getting worked up for these things doesn’t help since most of the time it was all for nothing. They get off the elevator, and waiting were guards. Chuck takes them out with tranq darts.

Sidney contacts Devon again, she told him more details of the mission. She told him to cut out an eyeball of one of the guards to clear the security pad, and he would find a man in the room. Kill him. Devon freaked out, he said he couldn’t kill someone or cut their eye out. he took an oath.

Meanwhile, Chuck walked into an area where there was a rug, and it said Central Intelligence Agency on it. Chuck immediately contacted Sarah. They also finished tracing the ring cell and it was determined Sidney was right outside the van.  Before Casey and Sarah could grab her. Beckman came on the screen and told them to stand down. She used a cool technique to lock the van to neutralize Casey and Sarah.  They informed Beckman this could be some kind of set up, and Beckman agreed that it was.

Chuck once again assured Devon nothing like that was going to happen. Chuck took the lead again, and eventually walked down the hall and came to a room with man hunched over a computer.

You are Chuck Bartowski

Chuck in shock You have o shoot me

Now the reason I love Shaw so much was right from the start. He read the file. He knows Chuck doesn’t like to use guns, but that doesn’t matter. He was going to try to push Chuck to do it, but once Chuck couldn’t pull the trigger. He grabbed the gun out of Chuck’s hand, and shot himself.

Shaw was willing to shoot himself to get a mission down. He didn’t second guess like Chuck likes to do. He just pulled the trigger and had confidence enough that Bartowski and Awesome would follow through. Sidney came into the room and was satisfied with Devon’s work and was gone.

You have to shoot me Ytuth is I don't like guns either

Shae dead

The government purposely used Devon to resuscitate Shaw. It made The Ring think he was dead. He knew they were gunning for him, and the plan worked to perfection. However, with success soon there would be further need for Devon in Shaw’s plans.

Back at Castle, Shaw was introduced to the team  by Beckman. She told them he was a special agent, and been working on taking down the Ring for five years, and now I will give my first analysis on Shaw.

Beckman pleaing with Shaw to help Team Bartowski
Beckman: We can’t keep this a secret anymore. It’s too dangerous. We need to tell them. They need to be prepared. Shaw please.

Daniel has been used to working on this case by himself. This is not a regular case for Shaw.It’s personal for him, and Beckman begged him to come to Burbank and assist them with this powerful group causing a lot of problems for them. I mean Casey  didn’t even know their was a Ring Operative amongst his crew.

Shaw came to Burbank and right off the bat his order was second guessed by Chuck. He was also needed to get use to this new team he would be working with. So, on the outset it seems Shaw is smug, but I see a man who doesn’t want to be in Burbank he wants to be out their catching his wife’s killer. Furthermore, he said he read everyone’s file, which would be hard to fathom Chuck’s disdain for using guns was in there.

Who can blame Shaw. Revenge was on his mind, and he used the team to achieve that revenge. This man was driven and you can see in his face bitterness from the event. It almost seemed like he was doing this as a favor for Beckman.

Shaw is also a by the book agent. We know what by the book agents are like. Agent Forrest was a by the book agent. Ruthless. follow protocol agents with no room for discussion. It didn’t help the team made sly remarks about his age and his antics. The team didn’t warm up to him at all.

So, when Beckman finished introducing him, and let him take over. The team was at edge knowing Shaw knew about the Intersect.

Shaw taking over the ranksShaw going over details of The RingChuck not respecting ranks again

One of my angst to grind with Chuck was his inability to respect ranks. Immediately he is talking to Shaw like his rank doesn’t matter. Shaw is a special agent, and we will find out that means Shaw has some free reign. The colonel has to take orders from him basically.

I also can see it from Team Bartowski’s position. Beckman didn’t give them notice about this guy coming to Burbank, but the truth is she didn’t need too. She is the general, which means get over team. Instead of making the best of this abrupt turn of events, they act very cold at Shaw. It’s not Shaw’s fault he is there. It was Beckman’s decision.

Shaw would tell Chuck in order to protect Devon’s identity would be to continue using him. He asked Sarah’s assistance, but once again Sarah sided with the agency. She told the truth based on protocol, and it made sense to a degree. Sidney would soon as kill Devon if she didn’t think Devon turned. He was the perfect mole for them to infiltrate a Ring network.  However, Bartowski stood his ground and demanded they didn’t use Devon anymore.

 

Shaw gave Chuck one chance to come up with a plan. While Shaw asked this. Chuck was looking at the schematics of the Ring Phone. Chuck’s technical skills were in play here. He should have suggested what he could do, but Chuck went stray again.

The lack of trust in his team reared its ugly head again, but here I understand the dissention.

The other reason I liked Shaw  willingness to give Chuck a chance to prove himself, but once again, Sarah and Casey didn’t use Chuck’s strengths, which was Chuck’s ability to possibly crack the Ring phone, which he does. Chuck made a bold decision to ask Devon for the phone Sidney gave him.

Chuck would go to the Buymore, and while talking with Morgan, and the line of the episode was said here. It made me smile because it showed me this Chuck was not the same Chuck from the first two seasons anymore. He was not going to hide behind his team anymore. He took action.

Chuck would tell Morgan the following,

Chuck: You know-you know sometimes What I like to do is-is, uh, open up a problem And really examine it. Find its weak points. And then not be afraid to just attack it head-on.

What makes the line so  strong for me, Chuck would have never talked like that in season one or two. He was able to get in contacted with Sidney, and told her he was the one who shot Shaw, and Devon was just a decoy. He would be taking over this operation.

Its bold and brave, but its a stupid move. Chuck’s decision to lure Sidney to the Buymore compromised the location. If Sidney got away. She would inform The Ring the truth about The Buymore, and he also demonstrated a total disregard in protocol. He put his team in jeopardy, and Shaw’s response to Chuck;s move was the right one.

He told Chuck, it was not how he operated. You make your own mess get yourself out of it. There is two reasons Shaw took such drastic measures. The first was an obvious one, he wanted to see Chuck’s plan come through.

However, Chuck’s plan was to lure them to the Buymore, and have the team take them out. The design of the 2.0 was not for that purpose, and since Shaw told him he had to do it alone. Chuck’s flaw came into play. He became emotional.  Casey and Sarah were prepared to come up from Castle, but Shaw stopped them. He pulled his guns on them, and said something that would come into play later in he season.

Shaw pulls his weapons on Casey and Sarah

Shaw: I don’t like guns, but it pays to know how to use them.

Chuck tried his best take on the ring, but his emotions go the better of him, and Sarah told Shaw go ahead and shoot me if you must, but Casey countered with I love guns, and made Shaw lower his weapons.

You start fires, you needed to put them out yourself
Shaw: This is not how I do business. You start things on your own, You better be prepared to finish them On your own. Good luck

What I mean by Shaw made the right decision in not helping Chuck was how Graham told Sarah in the pilot, he couldn’t help her if things went south or when Vincent wanted to go into the Buymore to fetch Orion’s computer. These decisions are none sanctioned decisions, and with them comes consequences.

Another line I liked came from Shaw at this point, when Sarah said, he will freak out and not perform correctly. Shaw said this,

A line I liked from Shaw
Shaw: Yeah, happens to lots of guys. Or so I hear.

Team Bartowski once again come together. Casey takes out the guys in the front of the store, but as I mentioned at top Sidney brought her whipping stick because she kicked Sarah’s dairy air in this one. It’s the first time Sarah was overmatched in one on one combat.

Sidney owned Sarah

Question for discussion would be, had Sarah lost her edge due to her emotional issues?

 When Sarah got knocked down, Chuck pulled a gun on Sidney but was reluctant to pull the trigger. Sidney told him the truth about spies. She told Chuck about Devon having put a bullet between her eyes or spies don’t say please.  Chuck manned up.

Sidney would pull out another Ring Phone and threatened to call for help, and while she was speaking pulled a blade out, but before she could throw it. Shaw shot her from behind. Sarah and Chuck looked at each other after what Shaw said.

Shaw: As I said, I may not like guys, but it pays to know how to use one.

The statement was foreshadowing of things to come, and the notion that Sarah has a taste for blood proved in this episode that she doesn’t. She wasn’t comfortable in watching Shaw shoot Sidney. She felt the way Chuck usually does towards killing.

Back at Castle, we have two things to talk about in this scene. Both Shaw and Sarah were great in this scene. Shaw congratulated the team on maintaining Devon’s identity.

Nothing means more to me then my friends and family
Chuck: Yeah, and risked my family doing it. There’s something you need to know about me, Shaw. There’s nothing in my life That I care about more than my friends and my family. Of course, I don’t expect you to understand that. Being the spy that you are, I’m sure that you don’t care about anybody.

Sarah reminded of what she loved about Chuck A sense of forgiveness

More on these two frames in a minute, but Shaw said something that made me think this whole thing was Shaw’s way of getting to know Chuck. Shaw also spoke truth about the business, which hit home for Sarah and for the first time in this season Sarah defended Chuck like she did before. A reconciliation of sorts.

Friends and Family stop us from pulling the trigger
Shaw: Families and friends make us vulnerable. Make us unable to pull the trigger. And that puts everyone in even greater danger. Just ask your partner here. She’ll tell you the same thing.

I understand Shaw’s perspective of this. Look at what having friends and family did to Jack Bauer.  The spy world doesn’t have room for friends and family. It is the same thing Bryce told him in the Break Up. The only way to survive in that world is to think and act like the bad guys, but what Sarah said next is also true.

Sarah showing loyalty towards Chuck again
Sarah: Sometimes it helps to know that you’ve got something to lose.

Sarah over PragueI forgive you Chuck

The screen caps from above and here are worth discussing because it was here where I felt Prague was over. The expression on Sarah’s face and Chuck’s for that matter showed forgiveness has sunk in. Words didn’t need to be spoken between the two.

Chuck not killing Sidney reminded Sarah on why she loved him. She realized that he may want to be a spy, but the inability to pull the trigger was one of the biggest things she loved about him. It brought the two together once more, but there was still work left to be done.

As a result of this, Sarah returned to where she always was meant to be. Sarah has come home. She is smiling and everything, but as they say in the trade. This was the calm before the storm.

Thins are back to normal
Chuck:It wouldn’t have been the same without you, so, I’m really glad you made it. Sarah:Me, too.

Sarah and Chuck have solved their issues There is Sarah of old

Enjoy it….It will be  a while before we see this again.

Buymore Story

The Buymore had an interesting story for this episode. Morgan’s promotion doesn’t come without resistance. Lester and crew decide to open up a fight club after Bartowski sent Lester into the third row with a roundhouse.

Lester said it was the best feeling of his entire life. Morgan would catch on to their club, and try to put a stop to it. Big Mike motivated Morgan to take action by firing Lester.

Morgan did just that and canned Lester, It made Lester drop the facade and beg for his job back, but there will be repercussions for this act.

Overall Thoughts of the Episode

Operation Awesome had some memorable scenes in it. The episode offered two classic comical scenes and a does of reality of the spy world. It also bridged the gap between Chuck and Sarah regarding Prague.

Shaw coming into the story was the best thing for Chuck and Sarah.  Yes, I said it. While most claim him to be the wedge. He made them see what they love about each other. Remember Rome was built-in one night, and all the pieces need to be laid out for use to appreciate the story. Well, atleast I do.

Shaw also came into the story as a man hell-bent on revenge, and with that comes doing whatever was necessary. Chuck had the same sentiments when trying to find his father. Shaw was a lot more lethal in killing than Chuck, but Chuck will have to face the same situation in the future. We shall see if he does?

Next episode is Chuck vs The First Class, A favorite episode of mine. I rank it top twenty of my all time personal list of episodes.

Until next time….Remember Chuckaholics is your toy….so play

and above all else, It’s hard to say goodbye because we didn’t

80 comments

  1. You may have an issue with the way Chuck reacts to involving Devon in the operation … ignoring the chain of command, etc.

    Please remember how both Casey and Sarah act when THEIR loved ones are put in harms way. Casey commits treason, for crying out loud…and Sarah goes wild card assassin….leaving her team out of the loop ( both times….Phase 3 and Baby ). Remember, Chuck is new to a lot of this stuff, and has not been fully trained yet. Even Sarah wouldn’t use her mother as bait for the baddies. Yet you always expect Chuck to…..

  2. Nice job Chris.

    This entire arc should be entitled “Chuck versus the gun”.

    As I have said before, this is where Shaw begins his journey to weaponise Chuck (and introduce him to the real notion of what a spy does) in order that Chuck can be used to reap revenge on the Ring.

    Shaw knows everything about them all (Sarah, Casey and Chuck). He knows how to beat them with their own weaknesses – divide and conquer to achieve his ends; and without ruining the following episodes, remember that the first thing Shaw asks of Chuck is to shoot him.

    Shaw has a purpose but I don’t like him (and if the writers went a different way, he would not have been required).

    • Yes, but Shaw didn’t want to be in Burbank. He liked his office in Washington, and when he came to Burbank he dealt with a dysfunctional Team Bartowski.

      He felt like a babysitter, You are also right about weaponizing Chuck it helped remind Sarah what she loved about Chuck. It also showed SarAh isn’t a killer like Shaw

      • Where did it ever say Shaw didn’t want to be in Burbank ? He was going to do what he wanted to do and what he had to do, to take down the Ring ( don’t want to spoil anything for any new Chucksters). If that meant going to Burbank to use Chuck ( I agree….weaponize him is a good phrase), then there was nothing that would bother him about being in Burbank. He may have said certain things, but that would probably be to keep the Team on their toes…to build that distrust…especially in Sarah and Casey. Like Sean said, he knows their weaknesses and his aim is to tear them apart. This seemed to be a good place for Sarah and Chuck to really begin the reconciliation, but the show went in another direction. As much as you like Shaw, he signaled the end of the heart of the show. This was really the beginning of the end. Prague could have been saved here….with what Chuck said in the Three Words, Sarah sees why Chuck feels he needs to be a spy….he is embodying it in this episode. And he is really still himself…he can’t shoot Sidney, he will do anything for his family. Sarah is heartsick herself when Devon is taken …he represents her family too.

        Falling in love and building a relationship has lots of bumps in the road, and in this show we felt the bumps and were empathetic because we all have been there. What happens next ( in the series), though, we can’t really understand, because if it happens in real life, the relationship doesn’t survive. We will look at a car crash, but we won’t stare when what we see goes past our comfort zone. And that’s what happened next…a 4 episode car crash that put too many viewers out of their comfort zone.

      • All I can say is you got me there Gary,

        good argument. as I said, Shaw was good for Chuck and Sarah, while the road will be a drag. Its still the reasons i mentioned in the article.

        Shaw is going to make Chuck a better man, and make him fight for what he wants. What is wrong with that?

        What is wrong with a challenge. In Season one, Bryce challenged him he hide behind his past.

        He was challenge in the first half of Season Two by Bryce again, what happened He got into Chuck’s head and “fake” broke up his relationship with Sarah, and this point in the story Sarah clearly wanted to be with him.

        The second half of S2 we get the Chuck we know he can be. Once, he found out his father was a spy. He got comfortable in his skin.

        Shaw challenged by pushing him to do his bidding. He said, it was how he pushed his assets.

        It also was the driving force in mending the Prague end of the story. Basically, Season 2 ended here. Now I want to say this.

        Shaw right off the bat seems shady. He is a killer and sometimes a protagonist like Chuck needs antagonist to drive the best out of Protagonist. This man will effect both Sarah and Chuck from here, and I see no issues with that.

        When i talk about chain of command, I am talking putting Sarah in a tough spot. He did it all the time. It makes Sarah seem like she doesn’t care but what could she do? Gary, the first year and half its OK, but he has been a spy for three years.

      • And Sarah puts Casey and Morgan in a tough spot in Phase Three. The more I watch the series, the more I realize that almost every situation Chuck is put into, the writers mirror that situation for Sarah. When Chuck wants to break up the fake relationship, we see Sarah’s pain. But then Sarah, in essence, breaks up their relationship every time she tells Chuck the relationship is a cover, and we see the pain Chuck is in.

        Prague is a mirror of Chuck asking Sarah to go away with him in The Ring. Awesome is a mirror for Phase Three …what do each of them do when a loved one is in mortal danger.

        As for Shaw…yes…every season needs a nemesis. That’s not the problem. Chuck was growing as an agent anyway …Sarah still could have been the conflict in his life. They had danced the dance before with Jill and Bryce. And they grew from those experiences. There is no relationship growth in Season 3, and no lessons learned. The writers damaged the 2 main protagonists all the way to the point of no return, only to quickly patch it up to maintain viewership. When Sarah reaches the point of , “I don’t believe you,” it’s over, especially when she can never come to grips with why she didn’t believe him.

      • Couple of thoughts:

        @Christopher

        “Shaw was good for Chuck and Sarah”

        Shaw was a confusing experience. Sticking him in there with all the other damaging people was rather like setting sail with a life raft. Dangerous ground and all had to be neatly tied up in The Other Guy. Hell, even the title of that episode made it obvious what he had become.

        “What is wrong with a challenge. In Season one, Bryce challenged him he hide behind his past.”

        Yeah but it wasn’t one challenge and Chuck can’t handle too many at once. Let’s see:

        1] Use a gun
        2] Let’s drag his family in to it and put them at risk of death
        3] And while all this happens, I will steal Sarah.

        Chuck was doomed to fail here.

        “He said, it was how he pushed his assets.”
        As we saw in 49B, only one handler can push the asset. So Shaw had muscled Sarah out of his way and broke CIA protocol.

        Shaw also broke every rule in the book by putting Chuck in harms way. General B should answer for this as she kicked Casey’s butt for leaving him in a car boot (if memory serves me correctly).

        “Sarah in a tough spot. He did it all the time. It makes Sarah seem like she doesn’t care but what could she do?”

        carpe diem comes to mind.
        But this is not her fault, as Chuck’s future female needs will show. Chuck was not loyal to Sarah. He wants his cake and he wants to eat it right now. Yes Chuck was shot in the foot with some serious issues, but he could still keep his trousers on if season 1 and 2 mean something. End of story, Chuck is fickle and Sarah (whose loyalty is unyielding, if not dangerous to who own sense of self) is easily taken for a ride.

        To be honest, I think the writers took a bit of a holiday and ransaked what they had built up between all the characters in the first half of season 3. They fixed it by the end of season 3 but they really did stick two fingers up at the previous two seasons.

        It was a risk, but with ‘The Other Guy’ the audience got want they wanted. Leaving it to episode 13 was dangerous.

        As you said above:

        “Enjoy it….It will be a while before we see this again.”

        The issues for season3 could have been fixed and Shaw’s entrance could have concentrated on the spy story and some comedy/romance (how the two would make the boyfriend/girlfriend relationship public domain) rather than embroil everyone in relationship hell and making hay towards the end of the honeymooners … (btw the way General B, we are now dating exclusively).

        @gmhenderson
        “Awesome is a mirror for Phase Three”
        I see your point, but I would have said that Phase 3 (where Chuck loses his memory) was less extreme version of the Season 5 Finale and Quinn.

        “what do each of them do when a loved one is in mortal danger”
        As you said, they go terminator …

        “There is no relationship growth in Season 3, and no lessons learned.”
        Agreed. Growth in season 3 is more akin to a realisation/excuse – i.e. Sarah says “You saved me”.

        This is where season 3 lost a connection with the audience.

        “The writers damaged the 2 main protagonists all the way to the point of no return, only to quickly patch it up to maintain viewership.”

        After Sarah decides to ignore the fact that Shaw is unhinged because she feels guilty for shooting his wife. It could have closed the show; so that is why Chuck had to save Shaw in ‘American Hero’.

        As you said:

        “When Sarah reaches the point of , “I don’t believe you,” it’s over, especially when she can never come to grips with why she didn’t believe him.”

        Agreed.

        If only they had made Sarah’s intentions clearer in this arc it may not have become a guessing game.

        Obviously, neither Sarah nor Chuck learned anything in this arc. Hell, they should have learned to communicate by now – after all, they were thinking of running away and being traitors; but couldn’t pluck up the courage to go off-grid and have an emotional showdown?

        For example, she is packing her bags to meet Chuck at the railway station (this is obvious as she packs the chuck picture even before Casey arrives to make her all happy and warm.) but in the time it takes to get in to a car with Shaw to go to the abandoned warehouse she [a] is able to spend time getting changed but [b] isn’t able to telephone chuck to delay the escape to freedom.

        Weird huh?
        Did Shaw steal her phone?

        Thus, we have the scene that everyone holds on for, where Morgan is tied up with joysticks in Chuck vs The Other Guy.

        I scratch my head through season 3, it troubles me, but you have to watch it in order to understand the approach to season 4.

  3. I think there are plenty of mirrors to each others actions….even Baby and Awesome have some mirrored scenarios.

    I don’t know why Fedak tried to do what he did…..ego, perhaps? The series was a bit of a genre bender as it was …part action, part drama, part comedy, part romance. Perhaps a category like “action romantic dramedy”. But the drama wasn’t the driving force …it seems it was more comedy than drama, but I think most people watched it for the romance aspect, or, at least were hooked by the romance. Zac and Yvonne had such wonderful chemistry, it was almost palpable. But no where in the first 2 seasons did they indicate this was to be a tragedy. The protagonists were “special” in their abilities, but they weren’t really powerful….they were fairly ordinary in their faults. Throughout the whole series, you must maintain the nobility of the protagonists, whether tragedy or comedy…but ESPECIALLY in a tragedy. Season 3 took a dramedy and turned it tragic, and made the fatal flaw of diminishing the nobility of the protagonists …. Chuck with his Prague moment ( which could have been redeemable ), but especially with his Hannah moment. That was not able to be redeemed. Explained, but not redeemed. While sex doesn’t always carry much cache to many of the characters, in Chuck, it does. It is the ultimate goal / conquest. And as far as Chuck’s relationship with Sarah, the ultimate betrayal ( even though Sarah is hurt more by losing her “home”).

    For Sarah, she stops trusting Chuck, she stops protecting Chuck and ultimately stops believing Chuck. It would be fine if Chuck deserved that, but a lot of her diminished views of Chuck were distorted reality. She stopped seeing Chuck’s noble intentions ( in becoming a spy ) and instead focused solely on herself …how was Chuck becoming a spy going to affect her. The signs were there all along ( or at least after Fake Name ), and she ignored them. Once you lose the connection to even want to hear what the other person is saying, or see what the other person is doing, it is over. It should never be able to be fixed by Chuck saying “I’m sorry”, because she has stopped believing what he says anyway. And Sarah should never be able to be redeemed for all her actions by recognizing at the end that he hasn’t changed, when she couldn’t see that all along.

    So the characters get more damaged than they grow. That isn’t good for either one of them, it isn’t good for the story, and Fedak probably didn’t learn a thing from bucking a formula that is thousands of years old. He hastily reset the story so it felt like we were at the end of S2. And then he committed the ultimate sin in S5, whether the series was a comedy or a dramedy or a tragicomedy ….. and you all know what I’m talking about !

    • Oh, and just as an aside, those photos of a surprised Sarah…… Yvonne looks great ( as she usually does ). But I often wonder what Yvonne would look like if she didn’t pencil in her eyebrows about 3/4″ above her natural eyebrows? Part of the reason she’s such a great actress is because she paints the canvas of her forehead and her eyes with such great expressions. She’s certainly an interesting face….make up and strategic hairstyles can certainly enhance the female face, as does the soft lighting they usually put her in. I mean, look at her in Cougars….most wouldn’t look twice at her.

      • At the teenage Jenny Burton ??? LOL

        But, yeah….that dress she wore to the reunion…yikes !! Hard to look away when Yvonne’s on the screen. It’ll be interesting to see her in AWC….wonder if they’ll go platinum blonde like Rene. I’m sort of expecting a second coming of January Jones ….

      • Just a thought:

        Season 3 is all about making Chuck an equal.
        Until he is seen as an equal, Sarah cannot love him.

        So if I stretch this out:

        Chuck needs to become a spy.
        Chuck needs to use a gun to become a spy.
        Chuck needs to kill someone to know what it is to be a spy.

        Chuck needs Shaw to be the person who ultimately upgrade his personae in order to make the decisions he does which gives him the results he needs.

        Chuck needs a nemesis to balance out the effect of the intersect.

        Chuck needs to sleep around a bit to find his manhood and consider himself an equal with Sarah – whose past is unknown but we assume she isn’t new to the game.

        Chuck needs to burn Hannah so he can know what a spy feels with an asset.

        Chuck needs to know that Sarah is untouchable and he could lose her due to the role of being a spy. Thus he nearly loses her.

        Chuck needs to be a hero to win her back and save the day.

        Chuck needs to become Sarah’s hero to feel like an equal in the relationship – mutual respect.

        Sarah needs a hero to break cover.

        Sarah needs Chuck to become a personal hero so she can believe in him and life. Thus, when she does, Chuck enables her to face the truth and build a real relationship.

        I could go on … how does that work for you guys?
        Have i justified season 3 yet?

      • But does Sarah have to DO anything, or is that all left up to Chuck? Sarah has faults too ….if she doesn’t have to put in any effort other than “putting up” with Chuck through his growth phase, then does she really deserve Chuck ?

        I think, as males, we tend to think of Sarah as the prize. I wonder if some females feel Chuck is actually the prize ?

      • @gmhenderson

        Chuck is the prize.
        Everything in this show is about Chuck – we should never forget that.
        Even Shaw says, it was always about Chuck.

        I think I said this on a different thread (another page, a different episode)

        But isn’t it like that in real life.

        We tend to think of our wife/girlfriend/husband/boyfriend being a prize.
        But a prize comes at the end of a journey.

        Surely, meeting the right person just makes that journey not so lonely.

        This is why two individuals who take this journey should have shared values/beliefs. Thus my reasoning above to try and make sense of season 3 (or make sense of the writers at the very least).

        After all, we are born alone, we die alone. Ultimately we are all alone.

        Fulfilment (however an individual finds it) and the concept of destiny makes life better and worth it; and also makes you feel a part of life’s great stage play. A reason for being is everything; and this is why lost souls have issues.

        Chuck the series (not the character) is all about fulfilment (call it a soul) – take Casey, Morgan, Ellie whoever …

    • If Chuck is the prize, then why does Sarah get the prize? Is it just dumb luck, like winning a lottery ? Why does Sarah need a hero, when what she wants is “normal” ?? In her eyes, Chuck was a hero to the ballerina. he was a hero to the people in the hotel ( and to her ) when he defused the bomb with the Irene Demova virus. He was a hero in Tom Sawyer. Why must he continue to suffer and change and grow, putting everything that’s important to him at risk? If he is the prize, then why is it HE has to do all the heavy lifting?

      And, then, what is Sarah ? He does it all for her, but why? Why does the series go into her backstory to show her as a flawed human being? Shouldn’t we have to do some work in order to reap a reward ? In your Season 3 scenario, where is the work that Sarah is doing?

      • “If Chuck is the prize, then why does Sarah get the prize? ”

        Sarah is the hero. As they said, some heroes are asked – it was her destiny since the CIA saved her.

        Sarah gives up the most, see S5 finale.

        “Why does Sarah need a hero, when what she wants is “normal” ?? ”
        To validate belief in him. See baby episode.

        “Chuck was a hero … Why must he continue to suffer ”

        Chuck is a reflection of the real world, he personifies it, he also saves people (not by defusing bombs, but by giving purpose – see casey for example). It’s his role. Chuck can change the world, heroes merely do brave things in certain situations.

        Chuck is bigger than a hero; but he does become Sarah’s hero. If Sarah sits at the roundtable, Chuck is the intersect, he is King Arthur.

        “why is it HE has to do all the heavy lifting?”

        Because he is capable of doing it. Casey cannot change the world, Sarah cannot change the world, but Chuck can.

        “And, then, what is Sarah ? ”

        She is the person the CIA saved. She is the unwitting hero who saves Chuck (who in turn saves the world). She is not King Arthur but she is a member of the round table.

        “Why does the series go into her backstory to show her as a flawed human being? ”

        To make her the hero.
        Heroes are human beings, all human beings need a story.

        “Shouldn’t we have to do some work in order to reap a reward ? In your Season 3 scenario, where is the work that Sarah is doing?”

        There is no reward for Chuck. Look at what happens in S5 finale. Chuck is King Arthur, he represents a man who was the epitome of good against evil, light against darkness and that eternal, never-ending struggle between what is right and that which is wrong.

        There is no reward for Morgan, Ellie or Casey – they just move on with their lives. In a way, this is a reward, a token – the ability to progress.

        Sarah loses everything, but there is a reward for Sarah, being the hero, she gets Chuck, she gets a second chance at life with the man she loves to start over and to have the promise of something she never had – a family.

        In season 3 Sarah is trying to struggle with whom Chuck is and what Chuck can be and whether she belongs or not. She is torn between two worlds, the one that saved her and the one that promises to give her something she never dreamed possible. Her struggle is internal and that is why everything she does is introspective.

        Chuck is trying to get over his 5 years of pain. Sarah is trying to live a life she never had – to be a child, to be a teenager, to be a woman – and to save Chuck. She has to understand how she can help Chuck. Is it her needs? Does he need her only for physical protection? Does he need her for anything? Remember, Chuck throws Hannah at his family after one date, he jumps in bed with her etc … Thus, it was only when Chuck said to hell with the world and runaway with me did she get the invitation she needed.

        Think about it, Sarah is an assassin. In a way, she was in awe of Chuck for the opposite reasons as to what the show said –

        Do you think a man like Chuck would/could ever look at a cold blooded killer and give her the promise of love?

      • It’s as good a theory as any I’ve heard…as a matter of fact, better than most. Some thoughts, Sean…and feel free to accept or reject the free form thoughts as complementary to your theory….

        One point though. You said,

        “Sarah gives up the most, see S5 finale.”

        Sarah doesn’t give up the most, as a hero would do. She has it taken away. Chuck gives up the most because he gives up a chance at his Sarah for the greater good ….saving Beckman and everyone in the concert hall.

        However, your point about Sarah being a hero in general is well taken. She has given up a lot in order to be a CIA agent. She was asked to commit the ultimate sin …taking another person’s life…for no other reason than the greater good, which is an intangible concept in Sarah’s life.. Protecting Chuck becomes the validation to her training…he is the embodiment of the ephemeral “greater good”. So, in this way, Chuck really is a gift, as she pointed out in her vows.

        This also explains somewhat why she would chose to run away with Chuck in Prague. The life is the same ( and her speech to Chuck and the reason to run should be noted in that their life would be the same as spies or on the run…), but Chuck would need her protection if they run. So it becomes clear that Sarah is not afraid of Chuck changing as much as she’s afraid he won’t need her, especially if he can do the things that she can do, but she finds slightly reprehensible. In the end, Chuck is actually more than a hero…he is actually a superhero. He has been given a tremendous gift that he uses for good. No one else has the ability to manage the Intersect without becoming a megalomaniac. However, Chuck pays a steep price for these powers…his father is killed in front of him ( shades of Batman ), and he loses the Sarah that fell in love with him.

        But Shaw and Hannah still don’t need to be used in the way they were used for this conflict to be resolved. Like I said, it detracts from our protagonists by stealing their nobility. Shaw doesn’t steal Sarah’s nobility and Hannah doesn’t steal Chuck’s nobility by sleeping with them…they do it to themselves. Not by having sex with someone else, but by giving up on their true love, their partner in destiny. That is a major mistake in storytelling, and a few of the writers have said the intent was to force Sarah and Chuck back together, but in the end, it wasn’t necessary. It was a risk right off the bat, and it failed miserably, with both the cast and the audience (except Chris). It also cheapened the resolution …. Sarah and Chuck consummating their relationship in Paris, because they had just both come off unfulfilling relationships. It didn’t allow the yearning for each other to reach a climax, as it did in Barstow the year before. Barstow was the result of organic growth between the two of them. Paris almost felt like it was just giving in to the fact that they SHOULD be together, since they really couldn’t make it work with anyone else.

        Morgan…Casey…hmmm. Casey certainly regained his humanity because of Chuck. Morgan grew due to Chuck’s growth …he always did fall into Chuck’s slip stream and get carried along. Ellie is an enigma…for someone so intelligent , she also never really redeemed herself for her mistakes.

        All for now….

      • @gmhenderson

        Thanks for that 🙂
        Taking your points:

        “She has given up a lot in order to be a CIA agent.”
        Sarah had no choice really. She was forced into becoming a spy just like Chuck. She had no option than a life on the run. The CIA was her path to discover her destiny but in doing that, she would lose everything she worked towards (a big shame really) and all she would be left with – trust and an underlying love for Chuck.

        Is that enough for everything she had become. I don’t think so.
        Sarah was the ultimate sacrificial lamb for the story of Chuck and without her, Chuck never would have been Chuck.

        “Sarah doesn’t give up the most, as a hero would do. She has it taken away. Chuck gives up the most because he gives up a chance at his Sarah for the greater good ….saving Beckman and everyone in the concert hall.”

        Noooooo. Sarah gives up the most because she uses the faulty intersect to save Casey and Co from the bad guys. It is their only way out and she knows the risks, but it has to happen. She is an assassin who is trained to look after herself – just like Carina does. But she goes against her internal belief system for the greater good, knowing that she will ultimately pay the price.

        Chuck did not give up anything. Chuck acted the way Chuck acts. He was true to himself. If he gave Sarah the glasses he would be sacrificing himself and his beliefs in the greater good – but he doesn’t. He does what he always does. Either way up, Chuck does not put himself at risk, he just decides who is going to pay the ultimate price – he is the arbiter of good and evil by bringing balance to the world.

        Yes, Chuck like Sarah is a victim.
        But where by the S5 Finale Chuck becomes something special – bigger than he ever dreamed. Sarah becomes the sacrifice in order for him to achieve that role.

        Chuck must become what he becomes for the greater good, Sarah accepts that and loses everything. Therefore the S5 Finale will reverse the roles, enabling Chuck to become the hero and save Sarah.

        “In the end, Chuck is actually more than a hero…he is actually a superhero.”

        I see Chuck as more of the balance between good and evil. Call him a hero, maybe a superhero, he is an ‘ideal’. Like Batman or Superman, something to believe in when things get tough.

        “However, Chuck pays a steep price for these powers…his father is killed in front of him ( shades of Batman ), and he loses the Sarah that fell in love with him.”

        Yes but he can remember these things. Sarah cannot. Better to have loved and lost than not loved at all – even if it is only a state of mind and memory.

        “Shaw doesn’t steal Sarah’s nobility and Hannah doesn’t steal Chuck’s nobility by sleeping with them…they do it to themselves.”

        As I have mentioned elsewhere, Shaw is on a path to revenge. He is a destructive force in the world, he will become Chuck’s nemesis. The Anti-hero or super villain.

        Hannah was simply after Chuck. She had just met him and wanted to sleep with him. When compared to Sarah and Chuck there is no more virtue to Hannah and Chuck than simply saying that Hannah was a quick fling. Someone he picked up, a distraction to his mission, a distraction at work – Chuck was ignorant and a bit self-obsessed. Had he understood what being a spy was all about in the first place he would not have included a civilian in his life.

        Chuck and Hannah was a case of Chuck straying from the path. Denial is another word for it. A distraction or plot device to enable Shaw to do his thing with Sarah. It would never last for one simple reason, Hannah brought nothing to Chuck, she did nothing for him, she was not his future.

        Being honest, Hannah should not have been in the series.

        Shaw had a place and purpose, but Hannah was ridiculous. Hannah was an anathema, someone who was thrown in to make Sarah/Shaw look like something else. In one way she showed Chuck’s frailties as a human, but these frailties could be more like vices. And yet, I still feel that Hannah was probably more harmful to Season 3 than anyone else.

        If we take Hannah was taken out of the story and we leave in the deleted scene that shows Casey and Sarah’s distrust for Shaw. Then the whole Sarah/Shaw relationship takes a new light. Resolution would have been more ‘spy like’ and sweeter. In this respect I believe the audience could have dealt with it; but Hannah killed it for me as she poisoned the main protagonist and made him weak and feeble.

        You could almost see as a fruitless affair with the a work colleague. Chuck was guilty of vanity due to a commitment to seeking personal pleasure over responsibility.

        Heroes like Sarah can have moments of weakness, heroes are still human. Super heroes and Super villains are beyond this, they are an ideal – like Batman having an affair, it doesn’t happen. Super heroes must stay true to the cause regardless of cost.

        As Chuck is the main Super Hero (King Arthur) – Sarah and Shaw only added to everything (it was not necessary but it can be forgotten), while Chuck and Hannah nearly destroyed everything.

        “Sarah and Chuck consummating their relationship in Paris, because they had just both come off unfulfilling relationships. ”

        Agreed, it made it less of a critical moment and more of an office fling (so to speak). This scene in the hotel was a bit rushed (a reset or feel good scene). The scene in the previous episode (at his house with Morgan) was far better and more triumphant for the story as a whole.

        “Morgan…Casey…hmmm. Casey certainly regained his humanity because of Chuck. Morgan grew due to Chuck’s growth …he always did fall into Chuck’s slip stream and get carried along. Ellie is an enigma…for someone so intelligent , she also never really redeemed herself for her mistakes.”

        Morgan grew up and fell in love. He even became more self-reliant and goal driven. Ambitious for his life goals for the want of a word.

        Casey re-discovered/found his sense of humanity and wanted a life outside of the job.

        Agreed. I didn’t like Ellie.
        Totally self-obsessed and self-righteous, just like Awesome was with the way he looked. Over here, we would say, her ‘head was stuck up her a**se ‘.

        I rest my case for now.
        More evidence to come in future episodes 🙂

      • @Sean
        That’s why I relate to Sarah so much, all her life she had to sacrifice her life for someone else. She did it for her father. Name after name, the reality is Sarah most likely doesn’t even know her real name.

        She sacrificed a relationship with her mother. She sacrificed freedom to avoid jail time, but over time she learned what she as doing was a better adventure than with her father. She thought life was going to be great with Bryce, but he went rogue and didn’t include her in his plans. So, by the time she met Chuck she was a broken woman. Everyone in her life at some time or another disappointed her or forced her to give up apart of herself.

        Its why Prague hurts Sarah a lot more then usual because in her life she never thought Chuck would disappoint her. We know he made the right choice because as a proper man Chuck should give up his life in order to be with the woman he loves I know because I did. I mentioned this before.

        It also why it was important for Sarah to meet Chuck. Chuck brought stability for her. She didn’t need to be the rough and tough spy girl anymore. Even Casey for that matter, but what the writers do to characters annoy me. I call Jack Bauered.

        The reason I love guys like Shaw, Jack and Casey is because they are no nonsense type guys. They will cap someone first and then ask questions if the option was given to them. The success rate for missions were great because protocol went out the window with these guys. Jack said it best once “There is no negotiation with the people they deal with.” Its why I disagree with the notion that Sarah is a killer because she prefer to fist fight someone. She never killed anyone unless she was in danger or Chuck was. Noticed the latter part. Most of the episodes when it came to killing, she didn’t. The only person she killed was Mauser because he threaten her safety value.

        Actually as I think of it, Chuck did the same for her as she did for him. He pulled the trigger on Shaw to protect Sarah, and she pulled the trigger to protect Chuck.

        What did Chuck scarified? He went to Stanford, got kicked out of school, but could of finished anytime. Sarah was the one who got him his degree. Ellie made the great sacrifice because at an early age she had to give up her teenage years.The only thing Chuck had to give up on was his life later when Bryce sent him the Intersect.

        But what did he really sacrificed when he met his wife? She gave him a no lease on life sorta speak and that ain’t bad.

        So, I agree with Sean Sarah gave up a lot more in her life. The bad part is the writers also made her give up her life by erasing her mind. Character Assassination of the worse kind. It’s why I prefer Season 3 over that even though I understand the theory behind it. Chris Fedak always fancied the Bromance rather then the romance.

        Notice how they made sure Chuck and Morgan were together in the end, but we are left wondering if Sarah still loved Chuck. WE all know they still do because she ended up on the very beach they were on five years ago.

      • @Christopher

        “I disagree with the notion that Sarah is a killer ”

        It is not that she is perceived to be a killer by others, more that SHE THINKS SHE IS A KILLER. Our self-perception is generally more meaningful than an opinion expressed by someone else with one exception, the person you love. For Sarah, that person was Chuck, and Chuck needed to know and understand her mindset before she could really open up to him. Chuck was showing her why she never really wanted to be a killer; and that was one of things she loved about him. In this way, Sarah felt different to other spies. Chuck was teaching her that this was OK and he was showing her why it was OK.

        As I said, Chuck is going to be a Super Hero (King Arthur). He is going to be a living embodiment of a cherished idea; and for that reason, everything he does needs to be pure in thought and action.

        For that reason, and mainly because Chuck is learning the ropes, we get consistent season 3 failures on his part thereby leading Sarah to question her belief in him – but he pulls it back during this episode (chuck vs operation awesome) and finally by American Hero, he nails it when he saves Shaw. The American Hero is Chuck because he puts himself in danger to save a man who has potentially become the other guy – it is Chucks ultimate sacrifice. He saves the man who steals his girl, he saves the man who forces him to use a gun and go against his own beliefs, he saves a man because the person he loves wants to be happy.

        If Chuck ever realised that Sarah was not for a long term relationship with Shaw, Chuck never would have become the American Hero.

        And because he was the American Hero, he brought the arc to a conclusion. Chuck is the man Sarah wanted him to be and all was right with the world (by this time the red test was still an issue but Sarah was willing to live with it – this is why she tells Casey there is no reason required to plead his case).

        “What did Chuck scarified?”

        Agreed. I cannot find much evidence of sacrifice in Chuck’s life except having a real girlfriend and not having sex. No big deal, why?

        The intersect. Not really a sacrifice because the intersect made him Chuck. Without it Chuck would not have met Sarah, been a spy, met Lou, met Hannah, tackled Shaw or anything. Without the intersect he would be a taller version of Morgan.

        The intersect gave him his manhood back again. Sarah gave him the world.

        “I agree with Sean Sarah gave up a lot more in her life”

        Agreed.

        “I prefer Season 3 ”

        The season 5 finale was awful.
        Killing Sarah in such a way is just awful; and what made it worse, is because there was no break in the drama. In one minute we see Sarah drawing babies on a picture, then nearly killing Chuck and a few minutes later sitting on a beach having a kiss.

        In fact, the season 5 finale showed Sarah to be the CIA assassin she had spoken about but never showed in 5 years. That character had no problem with killing people. Sarah wasn’t just reset, she was re-written.

        Too much, too quickly. Why could they have not spaced the events over more episodes so it was more palatable and easier to understand.

        The last two episodes should have been the film we have not seen yet.

        “Chris Fedak always fancied the Bromance rather then the romance.”

        The problem there was that both male characters were a bit ‘weak’ in terms of their world view and personality traits (not the actors, the characters). Morgan was dippy and Chuck was a lost soul; and people gave Chuck time because Sarah was around.

        “Chris Fedak always fancied the Bromance rather then the romance …. Notice how they made sure Chuck and Morgan were together in the end, but we are left wondering if Sarah still loved Chuck. WE all know they still do because she ended up on the very beach they were on five years ago.”

        I kind of believe that Chuck could have carried on without Sarah. Not willingly and not in the same way (in fact, Chuck would probably just become plain old Buy More Chuck again. Although he still had a life and lost nothing by comparison to Sarah), but Morgan made him realise he still loved her and that was where is life was.

        So even then, Chuck still has a habit of finding failure easier to live with than success.

        However, Sarah had to be with Chuck. Again, she had no option.

        Chuck had become Sarah’s life. So when I hear Sarah’s father telling her that ‘no one will love you more’ I would argue that Sarah loves Chuck just as much (if not more – because he embodies her ideals) than Chuck loving Sarah (Chuck is his own ideals).

      • Good stuff !!! Like it a lot. Yes….Sarah actually gave Chuck the go-ahead to put on the glasses, so she did sacrifice it all. When she put on the glasses, it was a risk…but it was only her and Casey. I guess she thought she must survive in order to save Chuck, though….so yeah….big sacrifice !!

      • Chris… Sarah’s mom said she wanted Sarah to be with her, but Sarah always craved adventure, so she would rather be with her dad. That isn’t a sacrifice…it was her choice. She regretted it later in life, but not at the time.

        How do you sacrifice freedom to avoid jail time ? Whether she went to jail or went into the CIA, she HAD to give up her freedom, so that’s not a sacrifice either….it was her choice. By the time she was a senior in high school, she had to know that what her dad was teaching her was on the wrong side of the law. If she didn’t want to be a part of it, she could have always gone back with her mother. I’m sure part of it was the adrenaline rush.

        As far as Casey, Shaw or Jack Bauer capping someone first…well…that was Sarah…Graham’s wild card. I know, I know…Yvonne, I mean Sarah, is perfect, so she could never REALLY be a killer, but she was. That was her job. She poisoned people, she shot people, she knifed people. ( Do you forget what she did in Hungary just before she arrived in Burbank ?? That wasn’t hand to hand combat). Burbank was a change for her…we don’t see most of the carnage from her fire fights, but in handling Chuck, her job is to protect him, so she wasn’t going out on assassination missions at that point. Besides, she asked for the change when she got back from Hungary.

        As far as Chuck going back to Stanford….well…he got kicked out. That stays on your record. It follows you from school to school. Cheating is cheating, so no other school is going to go back and give him those credits. In truth, the only way that Sarah and Casey could get his degree for him would be to prove he didn’t cheat …. using the evidence on the disk. And it wasn’t just that he got kicked out…his best friend framed him and took his girlfriend …. Chuck was crushed. His survival mode considering what happened to him, and considering how he was overly emotional in nature, was to wall himself off from the world.

        But you are correct, Chuck didn’t sacrifice as much as Sarah. But a major point here is that Sarah could have been out of Burbank that first night. Chuck was stuck in his situation. The Intersect was his new lease on life, not Sarah. But Chuck was Sarah’s new lease on life. It wasn’t that she was broken…she was too strong to be broken. What she needed to figure out was her place in the world. She needed to bury her emotions as a survival mechanism, but that is not natural to her…we know that she is an emotional human being also. ( see her expression in Cougars, her Red Test being the worse day of her life, the pictures with Bryce.) Like I said in another post, Chuck embody the intangible “greater good” to her. He helped her feel like her battles were real and had a purpose. The ensuing few years until they actually got together was figuring out where she fit in Chuck’s life, as Sean had mentioned.

        And I do agree that Hannah was a bigger problem than Shaw, because she served no other purpose in the story but to damage the protagonist…. and to make it OK for Sarah and Shaw to be together, as though 2 wrongs make a right. The damage to Sarah would have been greater if Hannah wasn’t there, IMHO, but it is certainly debatable. It is hard for me to believe that Sarah could ever be considered to be “playing” Shaw, seeing how concerned she was when he was going on his suicide mission. In any case, it was a mortal wound to the show, no matter how they tried to massage the “love trapezoid”.

      • Gary,

        The freedom to choose between jail or going the CIA is not freedom. Especially, for a teenager. She had to hide money in order to make sure she had some to bail her father out of prison. Did she have a chance to live with her mother, sure she did. However, what does a child know that is really good for her. The sense of adventure was the connection she made to stay close with her father.

        As for what she did before Burbank, its all apart of the job, but often there was remorse. Remember Casey’s response to Chuck when he asked about Bryce. Cold Hard and Bitter. Sarah explanation for killing the French Assassins was more I did it because I had too. When she stabbed people with knives she didn’t throw them to kill them. She threw em in the knees and areas where there wouldn’t be too much damage.

        Sarah never wanted to leave Burbank because she was intrigued by Chuck after the Ballerina. The ice breaker was what made Sarah stay. After the date, she wasn’t going anywhere. She did make that choice I will give you that, but I always remember her face expression after Graham told her to kill him if he ran. She was like, but I like this guy.

        When I think about the season 3 Trapezoid, I really think the show already went down that road. Chuck/Jill/Bryce and Sarah all have more of an interesting trapezoid that does include Shaw now. Let me explain.

        Chuck Jill and Bryce start the story back in 1999, They are friends and Chuck and Jill start dating. Both Bryce and Jill were recruited by their respective factions. Bryce also was working with Orion at this point. Sarah gets into the CIA after her red test, which is her red test, enter Shaw. Sarah killed eve, which Shaw would be hunting the killer down. Sarah and Bryce start dating, but it was done by 2007, with all this said.

        Sarah will have to work with Jill on a mission, which sparks jealousy from Sarah towards Jill for her manipulation of Chuck. Although I disagree with Sean that Jill had no feelings for Chuck. If she didn’t she would of saved him in First Kill. Jill would of left him. SO,yes Hannah was really bad in my view. I thought she would of been better served in S1 as Lou rather than the foul mouth sandwich maker.

        But, just to throw this out there. Why does the writers feel the need to humanize characters. For example, Jack was so rough in the first season of 24. However, in S2 they had to domesticate him by stick Audrey with him. I mean Nina killed his wife, but we were unable to see Jack go into rampage mode like he did for Renee Walker. Same can be said for Sarah and Casey. Sarah never lost a battle one on one until Season Three. Casey was really softened but that started earlier than Sarah’s change. What do you think Gary and Sean?

  4. “Sarah never lost a battle one on one until Season Three.”

    I think she told us herself when she told Shaw, ‘sometimes it is a good idea to know you have something to lose’.

    I don’t think she absolutely implied that in terms of defending another person. Not at that stage. She only really showed that commitment after Paris.

    What she really implied was that of ‘self-sacrifice’. Be it physical or metaphysical. For example, her belief in Chuck, her romance and feelings for Chuck, he sense of humanity when it came to kill shots etc …

    When she said this, it was as a result of hearing the vault confession. For those brief few seconds she showed (unwittingly) that she had clearly understood what Chuck was about; but then the writers stole it away from her (which is another story).

    But back to your point.

    Sarah started to lose a few battles because she was emotional. She was becoming ordinary, she was feeling the world and probably feeling pain. Her mind was everywhere and she was no longer a single mission. SHe was a mix of sub-missions (take the french balcony incident next season).

    “Casey was really softened but that started earlier than Sarah’s change”
    This is because Sarah was the best spy in the world; she was also a loner who never had brotherhood. So logic would dictate that fact. Casey’s battle was to ‘respect’ Chuck and to ‘see him as an equal’. It was probably an easier battle because Casey did have love of his fellow soldiers – the guys he served with were his brothers in arms, it was just a matter of time before Chuck became a fellow soldier.

    “Why does the writers feel the need to humanize characters.”

    I think they are trying to show the journey of a human being. Things change us, experience changes us, age changes us and people change us.

    24 is complicated and probably needs a website of its own so going back to Chuck.

    When you look at a picture of any person you always look at the face first. It doesn’t matter what the picture is, and what you think you are looking at, but subconsciously you ALWAYS see the face first.

    It is as though that we are seeking an answer to our very own worldly issues through the eyes of someone else. Does this person hold a an answer for me? Then of course you may start to see the rest of the picture – but only after that question has been asked in your own brain.

    Even a mugshot of a killer, rapist, saint or every day folk. We all do it, we just don’t admit to it. Think of Stalin or Hitler, when you see them, you look at their eyes. Why? because you want to feel the answers …

    So in a way the writers are trying to do the same thing.

    They are trying to unlock the person we see because if you spend enough time with a hostage taker you may get Stockholm Syndrome. We as humans need to explain all human actions. Seeing Sarah as an assassin is not enough, we need to know why. Seeing Chuck as a buffoon suitable to live Springfield and be best friends with Bart Simpson and slowly becoming Homer Simpson is not what we demand.

    And in every relationship we try to commit change. For us guys it often fails and we find compromises with the women we want to spend the rest of our lives with; but women never really give up on that notion (they reduce the frequency of approach over time) but they keep going. And don’t deny it because we guys explain it away as being ‘nagged at’.

    So in a way, the writers are trying to reflect what we do in everyday life. Explain things, ask questions, reveal answers and then mystify those answers so as to confuse and misdirect. The answer is always right in front of you, even Bryce said to Chuck, ‘you will do the right thing’. But we humans tend to over complicate everything and I think Dogs (yes, our 4 legged friends) have a lot to teach us here …

    Acceptance of the truth about anything is always much harder than trying to understand it in the first place – which is why science questions religion and in turn, religion seems to promote more questions than answers.

    Finally.

    What I cannot understand is why in the S5 Finale, Sarah’s character was debased so much that she had gone beyond the person who had saved a baby and first walked in to the Buy More. They took her to a point where none of that seemed possible – Quinn stole not just seasons 1-5 of Chuck but he also stole her emotions pre-dating season 1. So in fact she probably lost more than 5 years, maybe 7 years or even more.

    As I said, the last two episodes of S5 should have been the film we have yet to see. They should have ended the TV series on a different note.

    Did any of that make sense?

    • I think we have to remember this is a written story. There are generally rules that should be followed. Characters must be humanized so we can relate to them. Nobody buys a book or a TV show or a movie if there isn’t a story to it…. and generally a moral to the story. Chuck was genre bending …it borrowed from almost every genre at some point. Because of that, it had to be careful with character development to make it work. In any story that asks us to suspend our belief at what we know to be true ( some of the more cartoonish sequences in S1 and S2 ), we need to ground the story somehow….usually with the protagonist being eminently likable…we have to be rooting for him or her. So he or she must have human traits we admire, and faults we can relate to ….and a desire to overcome the faults.

      • @gmhenderson

        Agreed, that is why I was trying to draw reference to a human face and stray away from an absolute example in the story line.

        Actions are taken in context, beliefs and core human traits are measured against time; but it is the later we want to know when we meet someone.

      • The story for me was that i could connect with Chuck ( the protagonist)- he was an every man in a way. He had his frailties and his insecurities, as we all do. But he also saw the good in the world. That may have been naive considering the crapworks that happened in his life. His background was tragic ( more tragic than Sarah’s because he had no control over it), it was made worse by the blanket of protection his sister and father threw over him, and to top things off, he had a brain that was seriously out of whack.

        But one day his life changed …he downloaded essentially a “super power”, and the girl of his dreams walked into his life as a result. We come to realize this girl has serious issues as well, and they are quite the opposite of Chuck’s. But they are human frailties … we understand them even though we haven’t had Sarah’s experiences.

        In any case, I liked the juxtaposition of Sarah as protector, and Chuck as the one in need of protection. It’s a bit of a gender reversal, but without the ensuing tropes. Sarah doesn’t try to change Chuck, but Chuck never tries to change Sarah, either. I think what they were there for was to let each person eventually become the person they were meant to be. Sarah (finally) allowed Chuck to fulfill his future destiny, and Chuck was there to allow Sarah to rediscover the person she really was in the past. I forget what episode it was where Chuck was bemoaning the fact that he seems to not read others well because he trusts everyone. Sarah tells him it’s because he always tries to see the good in people and he should never change that. It seems to me that was her plea to always see the good in her, in spite of what she’s done in the past, or will do in the future.

        And so the story works as long as male viewers see the world through Chuck’s eyes and female viewers see the world through Sarah’s eyes. They are not us, but we understand them because of their human qualities. And we root for them to be together, because, if we were them, we would want them as a partner. I notice Chris has a different take on it…it’s almost as though he sees Chuck as someone not worthy of Sarah. But then again, he sees Sarah through rose colored glasses….there is nothing ever wrong with her or her actions, she was always a victim, etc. If a person can’t even see that she was an assassin, then she has been elevated to goddess status…she is untouchable, even to Chuck, who eventually reaches the pinnacle of development…a super man. That’s why I always give Chris a hard time…it’s like he sees Chuck as competition for Sarah’s affections, rather than seeing himself as Chuck. Most writers are trying to get you to connect to the protagonist. But the way the story developed in the eyes of the viewers was that both Chuck AND Sarah became the protagonist ( that’s a bit of an oxymoron )…they became the protagonist because their lives were so intertwined. In essence, there really was no Chuck without Sarah, and vice versa.

        Gotta go….. good discussion.

  5. Sean said,
    “The American Hero is Chuck because he puts himself in danger to save a man who has potentially become the other guy – it is Chucks ultimate sacrifice.”

    Same comment, Sean said,
    “Agreed. I cannot find much evidence of sacrifice in Chuck’s life except having a real girlfriend and not having sex. No big deal, why?”

    So, what is it ? LOL

    I decided to watch the lion’s share of S3 again … I think there are still a lot of Chuck paradigms that don’t stand up to scrutiny.

    Prague…. Chris often talks about Sarah being “heartbroken” because Chuck dumped her. …. Sarah put her heart out there, etc. So I watched it again with Sean’s ideas going through my head, and it seems to me Sarah DIDN’T put her heart out there with the idea to run. There was no heart in Sarah’s reasoning. It was logical ( both the original idea to run, and Prague.)and it was, of course, a lie. And the Prague speech was so full of irony that it couldn’t be taken seriously. Sarah never talked about running because she was in love with Chuck ( she asked him, “This is what you want, right”, which is a manipulative form of “leading the witness”), but it seems to me she was running to continue to protect Chuck. But herein lies the trouble…protect him from what?

    Well, she was protecting him from becoming her…a killer…an assassin. She thought he wouldn’t be the same person she fell in love with. I think everyone agrees that him changing was what Season 3 was all about with Sarah. But that requires Sarah to stop believing in Chuck…to stop trusting Chuck …and she stopped trusting Chuck at the end of season 2 when she got a glimpse of who he could become. The thing is, he never became that person …she even said it in Other Guy…”you’re still Chuck”. Which make all of Sarah’s actions in Season 3 because she never ever believed in him…it’s why she always saw the negative actions and put a great deal of stock in them, while never giving Chuck credit for the positive “Chuck-like” actions that showed he was still the same guy. Even in Tic Tac, she told him, ” I thought you had changed..”, so she realized what she was doing, but she still couldn’t bring herself to seeing the positive things. ( Chuck was willing to risk being a spy to go save Casey.).

    This does not in any way minimize the effect Shaw had on the team…he knew what he was doing. He made sure Sarah would see the negative aspects in Chuck, and he pushed Chuck faster than he should have to make Sarah seem like she was holding him back. I tweeted last night that the Final Exam was actually Sarah’s final exam..the test was designed to ensure she and Chuck were done. That’s why Shaw asked her, “Do you still love him…”. What kind of boyfriend thinks that his GF is still in love with someone she’s never really gone out with? Yes, Sarah was played by Shaw big time ……

    So if you can tell me how Sarah actually put her heart out there in Prague, I’d like to hear it !!!

    • @gmhenderson

      “So, what is it ? LOL”

      To be obvious there isn’t much “evidence of sacrifice in Chuck’s life except having a real girlfriend and not having sex”. This is true. It is hard to find by comparison to Casey/Sarah who do it several times per episode. So you could say it depends on the definition of sacrifice in order to compare the characters.

      Remember, Chuck the IT nerd is quite a selfish, self-obsessed and over emotional character but when we see him with Intersect 2.0 he finally finds his feet and starts to act a bit more ‘heroic’ (not hero, just heroic). Also, remember Intersect 2 makes him invincible, so its not really heroic for an invincible person to put himself in front of harms way (as by definition, it not harms way until Shaw turns up as his nemesis) – and this is why all his dilemmas as intersect 2 are based on someone he likes/loves/cares for being threatened.

      The sacrifice in American Hero was that Chuck was not putting his life on the line. More that he was sacrificing a ‘life’ with Sarah because he believed she was going to Washington to live with Shaw. It is probably the most touching thing he ever does up to Paris. Would you go and rescue the man who was stealing your soul mate? A fate probably far worse than death, no?

      This is a tough call for any guy to make; although a pessimistic view would say that regardless as to whether you save him or not, the relationship would be on the rocks due to the other guys existence in the equation. Which is why i defined this as sacrifice, I believe Chuck’s character saw that Sarah’s happiness far out-weighed a concern for his own future. At that moment in time, when he locked those doors on Sarah, Chuck had in effect, become a timeless hero.

      When Sarah saw him running from the fires of the building, you could see it in her face. Chuck was the American Hero.

      I also suspect this is why Shaw did not kill Chuck in Paris. We have to agree, Shaw could have killed him easily at that cafe.

      So to answer you question:

      Chuck never sacrificed his life in terms of a life/death situation.
      So no awards for bravery here.

      Chuck did however, sacrifice a life with Sarah to save Shaw; because even after this event, Chuck still believed she was going to leave. In this respect, no military grade options here as his sacrifice was only known by him and Sarah (and Shaw).

      Did that make sense?

  6. @gmhenderson

    “So if you can tell me how Sarah actually put her heart out there in Prague, I’d like to hear it !!!”

    Seems like I have another challenge 🙂

    Prague is really an extension to the previous series. Series 3 starts at the swimming pool. Realising this adds context.

    We all know what happened, but look how it happened.

    Sarah was genuinely scared for both of them, not for their lives, but for their souls. Sarah saw that running was something they had to do because this is what her father taught her. In that respect she was taking the chance on Chuck being agreeable.

    But Chuck wasn’t. Obviously.

    Now look at the train station. Sarah tells him the bits he needs to know, remember we will later learn that she has just lay rest the ashes of Bryce in Portugal. We will even later learn that her picture of Chuck is inside that suitcase and that the picture makes her feel safe.

    Sarah defines Chuck as her home. Not where he lives or anything like that, but Chuck himself. If he is with her, she is home.

    So based on that we can see her heart is fully engaged.

    Then comes a kiss.

    Sarah hits Chuck with a big long kiss. But what does Chuck do? Chuck almost throws it back in her face. If that happened to one of us then we would know that the girl was dropping us for some reason.

    Chuck doesn’t even supply a reason. He just says ‘no’ and Sarah goes ‘bump’. Her entire heart (hopes, dreams, belief in the man who is home and keeps her feeling safe from a picture in her suitcase) must collapse like hitting a wall at 90mph.

    And thus we get the swimming pool scene.

    • Yes…and not absolving Chuck of any responsibility by any means in Prague for his uncharacteristic silence.

      Talk about Sarah’s reaction to a “broken heart”, then. What do you see ?

      I see anger …..

      • After Sarah asks – are you coming.

        I see someone about to be told that ‘the greatest thing in the world’ they (could ever imagine) were expecting happen is about to be taken away. In fact, it was never going to happen.

        How to put that in words. The complete loss in hope, the death of trust and an end to belief.

        Then i see anger and upset when he hands the tickets back. Betrayal comes to mind, not of Sarah. But a betrayal of everything Chuck had stood for in the first two seasons.

        He should have really given her a reason.

        In fact. I would go so far as to say that:

        Sarah’s character in the season 3 opening episodes was spot on. A person wrecked by all those feelings mentioned above.

        What was screwed up was Chuck’s character.

        Chuck does a quick 360 degree turn all because he fails to make a rooftop plunge with his belt. It’s like saying, I was going to have this great job (so there is no room in my life for you Sarah), but then they fired me, so given that my future is back in the toilet (do you want to be my girlfriend again)

        Chuck is a complete …. (profanity here).

        This is why I say the show is all about Chuck and Chuck is the prize. He is like a square peg in a round hole – given that Chuck relies on Sarah so much, he really does need one serious reality check.

        The writers screwed up with Chuck’s character in season 3 and they only saved him by making Chuck the American Hero. So yes, I will say it now, Chuck is to blame for everything in Season 3.

      • Death of trust and an end to belief ? Already happened….that’s why she needed to run and why she had to lie to Chuck to make him run with her. She already didn’t trust him or believe in him. She needed him, since she lost Bryce. And Chuck was becoming a spy for her. Remember, she told him the reasons she could be with someone ( they had to be a spy like Bryce, or not in a handler/asset situation.) Chuck achieved normal guy status with the removal of the Intersect, asked Sarah to go away with him….. and she chose Bryce in Washington over regular guy Chuck. Next option…become a spy. He gives up being with Sarah in the short term (and for probably a short time since he’s just a regular guy) in order to become an equal…become the spy and person Sarah REALLY wants. That was the “plan”, as Chuck puts it. She reiterates it and reinforces it many times …lastly in the Red Test. ( “You’ll still be Chuck and there’s nothing wrong with that…” ) except I won’t be with you !!!

      • “Death of trust and an end to belief ? Already happened….that’s why she needed to run and why she had to lie to Chuck to make him run with her.”

        That was trust in The System – the CIA.
        I was talking about trust in Chuck.

        “She already didn’t trust him or believe in him.”
        She did trust him, she was going to commit treason for/with him.

        “She needed him, since she lost Bryce.”
        She made that decision a long time ago.

        “And Chuck was becoming a spy for her.”
        She worked that out after watching the vault video – Chuck’s fault, he should have said earlier.

        “Remember, she told him the reasons she could be with someone ( they had to be a spy like Bryce, or not in a handler/asset situation.) ”
        Two people on the run from the authorities committing treason probably works as well 🙂

        “Chuck achieved normal guy status with the removal of the Intersect, asked Sarah to go away with him….. and she chose Bryce in Washington over regular guy Chuck.”

        She turned Bryce down in the Ornage Orange so you must mean shaw … The threat of Washington became real because Hannah took Sarah’s place at the table and she slept in her bed. Another Chuck screw up, he should have used her place for dinner.

        Sarah was packing to leave with Chuck (regardless as to what Casey said). She took his picture. You don;t take a picture of chuck if you are leaving with Shaw.

        “Next option…become a spy.”
        Bound to fail because he already completely screwed her up at Prague. Chuck kind of pulled it back when they made friends by Season 3 episode 3 but then he finds Hannah. So again, Chuck screws up.

        “He gives up being with Sarah in the short term (and for probably a short time since he’s just a regular guy) in order to become an equal”

        Chuck gave Sarah up for Hannah. A quick fling and easy sex. Consequently he made it easy for Shaw.

        “become the spy and person Sarah REALLY wants”

        Being honest, I really don’t think she wanted him to be a spy. Because she knew what that implied – killing people on command.

        I don’t subscribe to the idea that Sarah wanted him to be a spy. The day the intersect is removed is the day that Chuck becomes a civilian – thus they can have a relationship.

        I do believe Sarah wanted him to be a part of her world (not a spy). A consultant or Analyst – after all, this is how she introduces him to Carina.
        But only until she decide that a spy life was no longer for her because she discovered she could also do anything she wanted.

        “That was the “plan””

        This was Chuck’s mindset. Sarah never agreed or disagreed.

        “You’ll still be Chuck and there’s nothing wrong with that…” ) except I won’t be with you !!!”

        Dare I mention Hannah again.
        If I was Sarah, as soon as Hannah humiliated me like that (dinner table) I would not hang around either. Hell, if your girl took another guy to meet the folks and then to your bed, what would you say?

        As I said, Chuck screwed up looking for quick sex with Hannah. Chuck needs sex to confirm the relationship is real (not a good measurement by any standard). Season 3 was Chuck’s bad call from day one, but it happens so often in real life.

      • Shaw caused a widening rift between Sarah and Chuck, allowing Hannah to slide in. Chuck did not pursue her….Hannah pursued Chuck, just like Shaw pursued Sarah ( which was part of the plan to break them apart …he knew what each was going through…). Chuck saw Shaw replace him with Sarah ….he didn’t see Sarah’s reaction to Shaw, just as Sarah never saw that Chuck wasn’t reacting to Hannah. He assumed Sarah had moved on, especially when he saw her in Shaw’s arms at the museum after Chuck had obtained the antidote.

        Ellie’s wedding day… Chuck asked Sarah to go away with him on a romantic vacation now that she wasn’t his handler. Sarah told him, ” Chuck, I’m leaving for Washington with Bryce in the morning.” Chuck took this as a rejection of him as a regular guy. She, once again, chose Bryce, because he was a spy . ( in Chuck’s mind, at least …)

      • “Shaw caused a widening rift between Sarah and Chuck, allowing Hannah to slide in.”

        I firmly believe that Chuck is to blame here.
        That’s like saying Sarah wasn’t worth pursuing to the end, even Ellie told Chuck he does not go far enough.

        Chuck believed in putting some effort in. Let’s say 80%, but to get a girl like Sarah you expect to put in 120% every second of the day and then some.

        Like the job promotion, he wasn’t that bothered any how.
        And you can’t argue that he was interested but go side-tracked by the spy world. Chuck would say, i don;t want to be in Buy More forever. But that is where he ended up after Prague and by the end of Season 5. And let’s say he became the assistant manager. He can still leave Buy More at any time but he gets a pay rise in between.

        Chuck was lazy.
        Sarah required effort, and Chuck was lazy …

        “Hannah pursued Chuck, just like Shaw pursued Sarah”
        Yes but Chuck was easy. And then he cheapens everything he ever said to Sarah by bringing Hannah to his house and family after one date.

        Chuck made the first moves.
        Shaw was close to sexual harassment charges. Over here he would have been sacked and the CIA sued.

        I can live with Shaw, but Hannah should have not happened.

        Chuck is supposed to be a trainee Super Hero, not a hero, but a super hero. So he needs to up his game and stop thinking below the waist.
        Good job Batman was not like that, or Superman, Spiderman, Silver Surfer, Judge Dredd or or or …..

        “Chuck saw Shaw replace him with Sarah ”
        That was an excuse, even Sarah saw through that.

        “He assumed Sarah had moved on, especially when he saw her in Shaw’s arms at the museum after Chuck had obtained the antidote.”

        Sarah did explain that away, but Chuck saw what he wanted to see. An excuse not to put any effort in and return to his nerdy ways.

        “Sarah told him, ” Chuck, I’m leaving for Washington with Bryce in the morning.” Chuck took this as a rejection of him as a regular guy.”

        This was harsh, but one day later she changed her mind because he proved he was a special guy by paying for a new wedding.

        Sarah also told him that ‘he was that guy’ during the dance.

        She told Chuck he was history. She was only going to Washington as an immediate reaction to orders.

        Sarah wants to be seen and feel like a typical girl, so she was merely waiting for Chuck to seize the day. She wants to be a princess and swept off her feet.

        Hell, he could have had that the day after the first kiss instead of breaking up with her and pursuing Lou.

        Chuck was lazy. Until Shaw turned up, Chuck was his own nemesis.

      • Gary, we had this discussion before regarding that scene, You know Sarah’s intentions were not to hurt Chuck. I know you know that. See i have begun to understand the roles flipped into natural male and female roles. Chuck wanted to pursue a career and told his girlfriend. I can’t pursue a serious relationship with you right now. I have to get my priorties straight, which is fine and dandybut for the fourth time Sarah put her heart out their for Chuck to snatch in from her.

        Gary, I am going to be releasing chapter two soon in between changing diapers but you will see my view. I have changed my view on Shaw and no I am not going to say I hate him. It was masterful I will say.

        I want to know your guys take on this, Was Bryce supposed to be apart of this story, but with Matt Bomer going to White Collar ruin that. Because it almost seem like Charah were lost in their own way dealing with Shaw?

      • @Christopher

        “Sarah put her heart out their for Chuck to snatch in from her.”

        Totally agree.
        The writers did Chuck a sis-service and screwed him up even more so than Sarah ever could be. Hannah made Sarah the ‘Other Women’ and this is why she was so dangerous to the entire Chuck storyline.

        “Was Bryce supposed to be apart of this story, but with Matt Bomer going to White Collar ruin that. ”

        Good and fair point, worth considering.

      • Sean says,
        ” Chuck made the first moves.”

        No he doesn’t. Chuck doesn’t even notice Hannah until the job in the museum. He is focused on Shaw taking his place with Sarah, and considering Sarah’s attraction to hunky spies, and her lack of interest in him ( Chuck), he’s lost. As well, Sarah still doesn’t believe in him or take him seriously as a spy, which we know is his end game here. We know Sarah is concerned for his safety, but Shaw paints it as “trying to hold him back”. Shaw is playing both of them against each other. And Chuck doesn’t pursue Hannah until he asks Sarah if it’s OK to pursue her, since her and Shaw are “kinda” together as well. ( Unless, of course, you saw a different “Vs the Mask” than I did.)

        “Short? I think he was planning for the long term.
        But yes, as I said, he could have fixed things with Sarah by episode 3 (S3) but no, he finds Hannah.”

        In Chuck’s mind, he wasn’t good enough for Sarah if he wasn’t a spy. And Hannah was not on Chuck’s mind at all until the Mask. It doesn’t matter that Sarah changed her mind about Washington ….we know she changed her mind, but Chuck didn’t. And sweep a girl off her feet ??? Asking her to go away on a romantic vacation isn’t such ??? Wow !

        ” As I said, this was Chuck’s mindset. Sarah never confirmed or denied it. Again, Chuck’s bad call for not pursuing the question.”

        And also Sarah’s for lying about why they have to run away rather than tell him the truth. You still haven’t told me why Sarah felt she had to lie to Chuck.

        ” but Chuck saw what he wanted to see.”

        And Sarah didn’t ? The whole first 13 episodes of Season 3 are predicated on Sarah not seeing the real Chuck….In Tic Tac..
        ” I thought you had changed….don’t ever lose that guy I first met”
        ( She realized she had misread him). Chuck was also ready to give up being a spy to help Casey ….. but in the Final Exam, she “sees what she wants to see”, rather than what actually happens. Crap, even Casey knows what is happening.

      • ” Chuck made the first moves.”

        Yes he did.
        Shaw kissed Sarah but she initially repelled it.

        Hannah jumped him in the museum, she beds him, gets a meal at his house, joins the family table – becomes the next and future Mrs Chuck and end of story – all within 2 episodes.

        So between Sarah and Chuck, Chuck clearly made the first move.

        “He is focused on Shaw taking his place with Sarah, and considering Sarah’s attraction to hunky spies, and her lack of interest in him ( Chuck), he’s lost.”

        That’s loser language.
        Look at this way. Chuck needed to consider, why the hell did she look at me in the first place? Once he knows the answer – game, set and match Chuck.

        “As well, Sarah still doesn’t believe in him or take him seriously as a spy, which we know is his end game here. ”
        I have said, Sarah wants Chuck around but not necessarily as a spy. Chuck wants to be a spy because its all very macho – look at the hospital scene (flowers and Bryce). She told Chuck there and then what she wanted – he just had to patient.

        Sarah didn’t jump in bed with the first guy that came along, but Chuck did it several times with various women. And we can still only assume that she slept with Shaw.

        “Shaw is playing both of them against each other.”

        Agreed, and a super hero intersect who was a MEGA hacker called piranha should have worked that out.

        If he can subvert the Federal Exchange, how can he not see that jealousy and vanity were the basic tools being used against him.

        I blame the writers for messing up Chuck’s character growth in season 3. They de-based him to a smouldering mess that was led by his trousers. Quite embarrassing for us guys really.

        “And Chuck doesn’t pursue Hannah until he asks Sarah if it’s OK to pursue her,”

        You just don’t ask that question of the girl you love: ‘Hi Honey, do you mind if a I sleep with that new girl at work???’

        You certainly do not follow through if you plan to try and get back with the girl you love.

        “In Chuck’s mind, he wasn’t good enough for Sarah if he wasn’t a spy.”
        This is why I am also arguing that the writers messed-up Chuck’s character in season 3. If Chuck had carried on growing like he did in seasons 1 and 2, season 3 should have been quite different.

        But before Prague, the intersect did something to his brain that re-wrote his character traits.

        Having dinner with my family is a big thing, but Hannah does it after a quick kiss. Versus the women who was saving his life every day.

        “And Hannah was not on Chuck’s mind at all until the Mask.”

        Hannah should not have been in his mind. Full stop (period).

        “You still haven’t told me why Sarah felt she had to lie to Chuck.”

        For the same reason Chuck lies to Sarah.

        “And Sarah didn’t ?”

        You have to remember.
        For Chuck, who we are all pulling for, the prize is Sarah.
        Every nerd wants a girl like Sarah, so that should be his entire goal. Full stop (period). And as Ellie says, you never stop doing enough to achieve your goal.

        Chuck was no spy, his family and friends had to be with him. Look at Italy. Chuck could not leave Burbank, so he should stick to his primary objective – Sarah.

      • “Yes he did.
        Shaw kissed Sarah but she initially repelled it.

        Hannah jumped him in the museum, she beds him, gets a meal at his house, joins the family table – becomes the next and future Mrs Chuck and end of story – all within 2 episodes.”

        Chuck didn’t even want Hannah at the museum. Shaw kissed Sarah, Hannah kissed Chuck …almost simultaneously. Plus Chuck had seen Shaw bringing Sarah coffee, etc. Doesn’t matter what Chuck “thought” Sarah had liked about him, all he knew is that Sarah wasn’t interested in him anymore. And in between Hannah kissing Chuck and Chuck sleeping with her was Sarah in Shaw’s arms at the museum. After they all got back to Castle, Chuck asked Sarah if she was OK with the Hannah thing. Sarah said she was , they talked about how good Sarah and Shaw were TOGETHER, and Sarah made the comment that Shaw is , “her type”. The next morning, Hannah has slept with Chuck, and Sarah and Shaw are talking about THEIR relationship. You CANNOT be sure that Shaw and Sarah didn’t sleep together that night…after all, Shaw was her big hero for getting her to the museum and “saving” her( once again, not noting that it was Chuck who obtained the antidote). The way Sarah was talking to Shaw about mixing her personal and professional life, it sure seems they must have mixed the two of them. ALL IN 2 DAYS !!!

        “Sarah didn’t jump in bed with the first guy that came along, but Chuck did it several times with various women. And we can still only assume that she slept with Shaw.”

        He slept with Jill ( his first true love ), and Hannah. Sarah most likely was sleeping with the mark she had at the pool ( what do you think she was doing at his mansion all those months ???) and Shaw ( Casey loved to rub that in after Chuck and Sarah were together). Did she sleep with Bryce while he was in Burbank ?? He was staying at her place….and I only saw one bed in there……

        “I have said, Sarah wants Chuck around but not necessarily as a spy. Chuck wants to be a spy because its all very macho ”

        No…Chuck wants to be a spy because that’s what he feels Sarah wants him to become. Listen to the voices in his head as he’s trying to decide what to do with Intersect 2.0 (download or destroy ?)… they’re Sarah’s voice telling him “You are that guy”, “Some people have to be asked to be a hero,”…etc etc He loved the life….he was given a night off in season 2 to get his head straight, but when Sarah and Casey went to the Crown Vic, he went with them….and Sarah was thrilled. If Chuck was a spy, she could have her cake and eat it too….she could have Chuck, and also stay a spy. It was only after what happened to Bryce she seemed to regret pushing him towards the spy life.

        ““You still haven’t told me why Sarah felt she had to lie to Chuck.”

        For the same reason Chuck lies to Sarah.”

        That’s a major cop out …. and what lies are you referring to that Chuck told her?

        And I’d certainly like to know what YOU would have done to sweep Sarah off her feet at the end of season 2, if proposing a long romantic vacation isn’t enough of a sweep….

        and don’t forget…this is a girl who can’t say “I love you” ( in any shape or form), who can’t unpack a suitcase, etc……. i.e. – every gesture you make scares the bejeezus out of her…..

      • @gmhenderson

        I think you are on a personal crusade to prove that Chuck was doing the best he could. Yes, I can start quoting bits and providing evidence, but really it is all quite obvious – you just need to stop judging Sarah so harshly.

        Chuck was jealous of Shaw.
        an obvious statement really, but given that Chuck had decided to set his sights on Sarah then he needs to learn that love is warfare and he needs to put more effort in.

        The action of Shaw giving Sarah a cup of coffee in the morning should not be a reason to put a white flag up and surrender. If it is, then Chuck ain’t no potential superhero and the last 2 seasons were for nought.

        Chuck was always looking for the easy option.

        Chuck led a life where everyone fluttered around him. Ellie, Morgan, Buy More staff all saw Chuck as the light at the end of the tunnel. He was the centre of everyone’s world and as a result he was lazy. However, when Sarah and Casey turned up, things changed and Chuck had great difficulty working out that technically, the world did not revolve around him. He was just a piece of the jigsaw puzzle and just because he could not have what he wanted, when he wanted – he would get very moody and generally, fake break-up with Sarah – all on the hope that everyone would flock around Chuck and try to make him feel better.

        In the real world this does not happen, so when his emotional times got tough, he looks for Lou, then he hits on Jill and finally when he finds that Jill was not in to him full stop (she liked the fulcrum lifestyle better than what he was offering) he moves back to Sarah.

        But let’s be honest. It was Sarah’s kiss that started everything. It was Sarah that nearly committed treason to save him, it was Sarah who initiated all the major events in the love story to date. Yes, Chuck gave her a bracelet; but then he ruins it all by moaning about someone trying to save his life by shooting an unarmed fulcrum agent.

        Not once did Chuck consider going off-grid to talk to Sarah, not once did Chuck do anything to progress the relationship except tell Sarah that he was ‘mad about her’.

        However, Chuck did go off-grid with Jill. So how do you explain that discrepancy?

        Chuck fought and justified Lou, he never did that for Sarah? How does one explain that?

        Quite simply, the only possible explanation is that:

        1] Chuck’s relationship with Sarah was made safe by the fact that he was the intersect. Without it, Sarah would not be in his life, so as long as he had it, Sarah was duty bound to be there for him.

        2] Chuck was looking to make up for his perceived lost years. He wanted to sleep around. Chuck’s biggest anxiety was that Jill slept with Bryce. Nothing else really seemed to matter. So he was chasing girls just to sleep with them.

        3] Sarah made Chuck more attractive, she also made him up his game a little and as a result, Chuck found more girls pursuing him. Let’s face it, Lou pursued Chuck, Hannah pursued Chuck – with the exception of a few dire attempts with Sarah, Chuck pursued no one.

        4] In Sarah’s world, like OUR world really, actions speak louder than words.If he really wanted Sarah, he needs to fight for her (stop the gibber gabber) and really show his affection. We see this when Roan forces him to kiss Sarah and yes, she is swept off her feet but he fails to capitalise on it. Heck, this is where all the pictures come from (see: suitcase/bedside photo for Sarah and see the wedding video). It is only in Season 3 do we see Chuck starting to man-up and put his game on a new level – we have Shaw to thank for that; and all because it started with a cup of coffee?

        In season 3 Chuck drops the ball on:

        1] Sarah
        2] Being a spy – as he never really thinks things through.
        3] Morgan
        4] His family
        5] Buy More

        Nearly everything in his life takes a dive, but we do see him pick a relationship with Whiskey, and whatever girl that drops in to his lap – Chuck is continually looking for an escape route back to the safety of ‘nerdville’; and this is his problem.

        Are you telling me that after Sarah marries Chuck that suddenly, no guy in the world is going to try and hit on Sarah? Obviously not, when you get a girl of a certain calibre, you need to keep fighting for her and we could say that Chuck has learned the lessons of Season 3 and shows this in his wedding vows.

        We can either believe that Sarah slept with Shaw or not.

        I think after a few years of missing out on sex we can easily argue that Sarah was not a girl who just jumped in to bed with a guy having been treated to coffee in the morning or having been saved at the museum.

        Casey saved her as well a few times but nothing happened there.
        Beefcake saved her, Sarah did not jump in bed with him at all.

        However, what we are doing is merely considering that Sarah kissing Shaw is a sign that she will jump in bed with him. The fact that she was embarrassed about him being half naked is obviously an oversight. Sarah should be enjoying herself standing in front of a half naked Shaw.

        The fact that she brushed aside any feelings for Shaw also made the connection quite limited by comparison to the emotional turmoil that Chuck has over Lou, Hannah, Jill etc …

        “Sarah most likely was sleeping with the mark she had at the pool”

        How so? She didn’t sleep with our guy in Nacho Sampler.
        Manoosh thinks he did, but he didn’t.

        Again we are projecting assumptions but let’s remember who took their clothes off first – Chuck did with Lou and Jill.

        All is fair in love and war.

        “and I only saw one bed in there”
        I think we are again jumping to conclusions. Two people can sleep in a bed but not engage in sex. We can also assume that one of them slept on the floor. In fact, how do we know that Bryce was not working an evening shift. If they were sleeping together, the entire dynamic would have been quite different.

        Just because there is no evidence to convict does not mean Sarah is guilty. Innocent before proven guilty is the way to go …

        “If Chuck was a spy, she could have her cake and eat it too”
        No because its a career thing. Two people who work in the same office do not necessarily fall in to line and agree on what happens next because they sleep together. In fact, it can potentially make the easy things worse.

        In Season 3 we are trying to justify Chuck by attacking Sarah.

        During Season 2 I would have joined Chuck’s team and vilified Sarah for the number of missed opportunities and then at Ellie’s wedding; but at the outset of Season 3 the mistakes are all Chuck’s. He purposely wants to enter a spy world he knows nothing about, and instead of learning the rules, he hopes the rules will accommodate his needs.

        It doesn’t happen like that Chuck.

        To be a spy and have a spy girlfriend you need to play by the rules.

        And the big one:

        “And I’d certainly like to know what YOU would have done to sweep Sarah off her feet at the end of season 2, if proposing a long romantic vacation isn’t enough of a sweep…. and don’t forget…this is a girl who can’t say “I love you” ( in any shape or form), who can’t unpack a suitcase, etc……. i.e. – every gesture you make scares the bejeezus out of her…..”

        For a start, know that she is not going to say ‘I love you’ for the time being but she will show it in a different way. Slowly and over time, she will say I love you. Those three little words need to wait until Season 4.

        A long romantic vacation is just a week off. A holiday. People expect holidays today, they are not seen as something special. Especially to a girl that has travelled the world. Chuck needs to go back to basics and his campaign should have started months before.

        First mistake:
        Chuck could happily go off grid with Jill.
        Chuck never pursued this option with Sarah.

        Second mistake:
        Chuck believed the rules were based on his needs.
        Chuck was eagerly anticipating sleeping with a girl. In fact that was all he wanted to do when he met Jill, Lou and Hannah and he never afforded that right to Sarah (who equally has desires of her own). He completely ignored everyone’s needs when he was seeking solace in a girls bed – look at Morgan and Ellie during Hannah. Morgan and Ellie with Jill.

        Upsetting Sarah by rubbing her nose in it about what feelings he got from kissing a ‘real girl’.

        Calling Sarah ‘not normal’.

        Third mistake:
        Chuck was at the centre of his own universe. Not a reality. If you pick a girl to fall in love with, then the girl is at the centre of your universe and you move mountains for her.

        I could go on … but Chuck dropped the ball.

      • “but for the fourth time Sarah put her heart out their for Chuck to snatch in from her.”

        Complete and utter BS…..Chuck told her he was crazy about her a number of times, Sarah never said anything….but Chuck knew she “liked him” … he could read a few of her signals. Where did she “put her heart out there” ???…..(and fake breakups don’t count because they were exactly the same as when Sarah would tell Chuck the relationship was a cover…it was the only leverage they each had in the fake relationship because they couldn’t really “break up”, and they couldn’t really “get together” either.) Sarah did not put her heart out there for Chuck in Prague…..she lied to him and was trying to manipulate him …look at the words she uses in the 2 conversations. This wasn’t for love per se, it was to preserve Chuck as is, for use at a later date. Like I said, the irony in the Prague speech was particularly telling …. the lies started to catch up to her. If she really wanted to put her heart out there, she would have told him the truth in Prague.

    • Sorry…had to break for a moment.

      But you see, you have to piece together future events, conjecture and mumbo-jumbo to validate Sarah’s speeches to Chuck. I am asking you to point out in EITHER of her 2 speeches ( when she first learns Chuck is going to train in Prague, OR the train station speech, where she offers Chuck her heart. There are no “I” statements, no emotional words. Plus she is lying. I understand she is worried / panicking. But it would mean that she doesn’t trust Chuck to a) – not change as a person if he became a spy, and b) – he wouldn’t go with her if she told the truth. Sarah is projecting her insecurities in who SHE is onto Chuck.

      She is doing it for herself….she is not doing it for Chuck …she’s not giving him her heart. That’s why she asks him the question. Once again, Chuck is stuck in the middle, just like when she gives him the Red Test. Go with her in Prague, probably be captured ( as in Colonel or Honeymooners) and lose his chance to be a spy, and thus lose Sarah ( she doesn’t want to be with Chuck the regular guy ), or become a spy, which may also result in losing Sarah in the short term.

      • Men like specifics. Men me at such and such in ten minutes blah blah blah. Women are more semantic. There was no plan, Sarah would make it up as she went along, she said that.

        But as I said, it is not what she said, it was her action in :

        a] Committing treason. Which did involve some serious planning to get new identities. Remember, Chuck will do this in Season 4 to save Sarah’s life.
        b] Her facial expressions in both scenes (station and base) show this. Hell, if that was my girlfriend giving off the same vibe, I would be really concerned that something was afoot and it would be a great cause of concern/anxiety. Pain, grief, worry, fear, anxiety, love was written all over her – does Chuck need a billboard with lights on it or a full page advert in the NY Times ?????

        If someone shouts ‘duck’ in a dangerous situation (a situation they have experience of) do you [a] ask why or [b] duck and ask questions later.

        Sarah tells the story through expressions. We have known this throughout the last couple of years, so you cannot expect her to suddenly provide us with a soliloquy or to provide us with verbal evidence; and in saying that, I doubt Chuck would have listened any how.

        Chuck was so self-obsessed with his own importance and so taken in with his new powers I think that train could have hit Sarah and he would not have noticed.

        Think of it this way (intentional or not by the writers), it was Chuck’s inability to use the intersect 2.0 that brought him back to Sarah.

        So at the train station, did Chuck love the intersect more than Sarah at that moment? It’s worth asking …

      • Noooo….Chuck is doing it for the exact reasons he says in Three Words… ( a buck short and a day late, but still…). His reaction as he’s being “fired” confirms this ….he gave up a short term/ sure thing with Sarah so he could be with her for the long haul ….he did it all for her, but also realized the 2.0 was too important for the greater good to be that selfish as to give it all up for a short fling with Sarah. He was convinced Sarah wouldn’t love him if he wasn’t a spy.

        And Sarah’s speech at the train station… dripping with so much irony. It was hard for her to perpetuate the lie she told him 3 weeks earlier. Like even you said, she fully understood after the video from the Three Words, but she still didn’t trust him to become a spy and not change. Thus the distance she kept, and the continual misreading of all his actions.

      • “he gave up a short term/ sure thing with Sarah so he could be with her for the long haul”

        As I said, this was Chuck’s mindset. Sarah never confirmed or denied it. Again, Chuck’s bad call for not pursuing the question.

        All because he was in a rush. If he just waited and made a real commitment to chasing her, it could have been o so different. But if he did this, there would be no show.

        “also realized the 2.0 was too important for the greater good to be that selfish as to give it all up for a short fling with Sarah”

        Short? I think he was planning for the long term.
        But yes, as I said, he could have fixed things with Sarah by episode 3 (S3) but no, he finds Hannah.

        “she still didn’t trust him to become a spy and not change”
        As I said, she lost all faith in him. You don’t get it back after one easy speech in a vault. Actions must speak louder than words.

        Let’s say they commit treason, saying sorry to a judge does not give you a ‘get out of jail card’. So the feelings in Prague will also take a little more evidence – I said, he could of pulled it back if it was not for Hannah.

        If Hannah had not happened, it would have been a very different season 3.

  7. Just to confirm:

    Shaw. I didn’t like him, but I can live with this character.

    Hannah. I cannot forgive Chuck for this character; and no I do not forgive the writers for slotting her in. Hannah sent Season 3 in to a nose dive and nearly killed the entire ecosystem.

    Remember the deleted scenes? If Hannah was not hogging so much screen time we may have got a different take on the Shaw character. Casey may have had more screen time, Chuck may have not been so lazy in his aspirations with Sarah and friends, Morgan may not have dried up and quite possibly Shaw could have been made less two-dimensional. Hannah just stole screen time and wiped out the Chuck/Sarah vibe.

    In real life, the writers created ‘Chuck versus the other woman’ where Sarah had become the other woman. Shame really.

    Hannah was far more dangerous than any evil villain to date. Hannah was the woman from hell … discuss

    I rest my case 😉

    • “Hannah. I cannot forgive Chuck for this character; and no I do not forgive the writers for slotting her in. Hannah sent Season 3 in to a nose dive and nearly killed the entire ecosystem.”

      Agreed… she was given a lot of screen time and Chuck wasn’t even interested, so it was a waste of time for other more important characters. The affair was to balance the affair of Shaw and Sarah, which was so much more important to Chuck’s journey than a quick 4 day fling with Hannah.

      We should have gotten a better sense of Shaw’s influence on Team Bartowski and his plan to use Chuck. He should have had some foreshadowing of his evil intentions other than just being hated for being the “other guy”. It was tough to see ( as a viewer ) what he really wanted with Chuck, and I think his relationship with Sarah was misread by most of the audience…. they didn’t see the ulterior motives behind it. Instead we got 2 damaged protagonists rather than seeing the “evil genius” behind their actions.

  8. “We can either believe that Sarah slept with Shaw or not.

    I think after a few years of missing out on sex we can easily argue that Sarah was not a girl who just jumped in to bed with a guy having been treated to coffee in the morning or having been saved at the museum.

    Clue are all there if you open your eyes. Aren’t you the guy that thinks all of Chuck’s smarts come from an Intersect prototype from when he was 9 years old, and you are assuming orion put all sorts of computer programming codes in that prototype ??

    The morning after the museum rescue, Sarah and Shaw are sharing a brunch. They are mirroring each other in position, which means they’ve made a connection. Shaw is eating Sarah’s dessert, saying , ” I want YOUR dessert”. Co-workers don’t do that …feeling totally comfortable sharing Sarah’s dessert means he’s already helped himself to a piece of Sarah’s custard pie the night before.

    Sarah backs away and says, ” I’ve got to stop mixing my personal and professional life.” That means she has already started something that she now has to stop. If not, she would have said, ” I don’t want to start mixing blah blah blah…AGAIN.” So she’s already done something with Shaw…he took a dip with the only female in the office pool.

    The next day, Sarah goes to Shaw’s hotel room. How did she know where he was staying if she hadn’t been there before? No one else knew about the room from the team. Shaw wasn’t expecting her, so she didn’t call beforehand, but he’s not surprised to see her or asking her how she found him. As a spy, she was not casing the room as she walked in, so she was already familiar with the room. Shaw is comfortable half naked in front of her, and she is too, until she wants to say something very intimate and serious… so she removes the physical attraction by asking him to put some clothes on. Then she shares some extremely intimate details of her life, which she never did with Chuck, because THEY had never been intimate, like her and Shaw.

    Jeez…you talk about Chuck missing Sarah’s signals ! 😉

    Listen … I don’t like the arc, but you put everything on Chuck, and feel Sarah is totally blameless in all her actions. Chuck is a nerd …a social misfit…

    • @gmhenderson

      My fews cents …

      “Clue are all there if you open your eyes.”

      Again its all an assumption and being a chivalrous type of guy I like to think that Sarah is a nice girl 🙂

      No but seriously. So what!
      Chuck slept with everything that moved in the show. SO why can’t Sarah. Stop finding fault with Sarah to justify Chuck.

      Both characters are at the justice of the writers but my whole attitude is towards the point of saying – Season 3, the biggest writing flaws were in Chuck’s character, not Sarah’s. The writers should not have thrown Hannah in to the mix, Hannah was a waste of screen time and they should have concentrated on the main protagonists (all of them).

      Casey new what was going on, but he just sat on the sidelines and watched it all fall apart. His character could have been proactive, thereby reinforcing Casey as a main player against Shaw.

      “Sarah and Shaw are sharing a brunch.”
      I have done that with various girls but I didn’t sleep with all of them.

      “They are mirroring each other in position, which means they’ve made a connection. ”

      Salespeople do that with their customers, you also do it in job interviews. It is a way of making the other person feel relaxed. And not every salesperson sleeps with the customer.

      “Shaw is eating Sarah’s dessert, saying , ” I want YOUR dessert”.

      No really, that does happen.
      It happens in prisons, schools, cafeterias the world over. TV shows you name it.

      It means they are in a trusting relationship, but it does not necessarily mean they are in love with each other or sharing a bed.

      “I’ve got to stop mixing my personal and professional life”
      Again, you are still finding fault with Sarah to alleviate Chuck from any blame. Sarah is human too, so if Chuck can share breakfast with whom he pleases, so can Sarah.

      “How did she know where he was staying if she hadn’t been there before?”

      I know the address of all my colleagues – this is quite normal and depending on your job, you might need to visit out of hours.

      “Shaw is comfortable half naked in front of her, and she is too”
      No, she asks him to get dressed immediately.

      “Listen … I don’t like the arc, but you put everything on Chuck, and feel Sarah is totally blameless in all her actions. Chuck is a nerd …a social misfit…”

      As I have said, your argument is solely based on finding fault with Sarah to make Chuck blameless. I cannot agree.

      As I said, both characters are at the justice of the writers but my whole attitude is towards the point of saying:

      In Season 3, the biggest writing flaws were in Chuck’s character, not Sarah’s. The writers should not have thrown Hannah in to the mix, Hannah was a waste of screen time and they should have concentrated on the main protagonists (all of them).

      If Chuck had resolved his issues quicker none of this stuff would have happened. If Chuck had kissed Sarah in Orange Orange before deciding to fake break-up and date Lou. It would have been a different world.

      I think Sarah best said it when she said: “Do you want to break up again” (detecting lots of sarcasm in her voice as she chopped the banana).

      Chuck was becoming repetitive, predictable and sad. He was always returning to his nerd formulae. This is not something that inspires a woman to be swept off her feet.

      I just wish the writers fixed ‘real’ goals for Chuck; thus enabling Sarah and Casey to have real goals. Remember, the show was dictated by Chucks mood and actions.

      For the writers, Chuck’s character was at fault, Sarah’s character was just a reflection of that problem. So the American Hero had to happen.

      We all need to agree to disagree.

  9. “I think you are on a personal crusade to prove that Chuck was doing the best he could. Yes, I can start quoting bits and providing evidence, but really it is all quite obvious – you just need to stop judging Sarah so harshly.”

    Not really…I just like to yank the chain of anyone who thinks Sarah is perfect in every way just because she’s beautiful….She’s Barbie and GI Joe all wrapped up in one !!! And I would say the exact same thing to you about Chuck…stop judging him so harshly. He is a nerd…he was protected from harsh realities from a young age…his support network is a joke with horrible advice for him. He is overtly emotional and needy, especially since his dreams were taken from him…. all in an effort to protect him. He is thrown into a world he has no experience with. But through it all, he sees the good in people and he tries to do the right thing ( please note….”TRIES”). Christ….if he was really good at adapting and knowing what he was supposed to do when he comes up against a challenge, it wouldn’t be much of a show !!! These life changes Chuck is going through are a CHALLENGE !! They are metaphors for the challenges we all face in life. In very broad terms,this is a hero’s journey. From S1, Chuck is a boy…S2, he becomes a man. S3 is the search for a meaningful life, S4 is the struggles of being a spy ( while reliant on the Intersect ), and S5 is being a spy without the Intersect. If he transitioned smoothly from one to the other, it’s not very interesting. Sarah’s journey is mirrored with Chuck’s…it’s a different journey, but worth telling. She wouldn’t have to make this journey, or have the struggles she does if she was perfect. Growth is hard…we become comfortable in our lives, and very rarely do we reach our full potential physically and emotionally. You expect perfection from Chuck at every turn…just like Chris. He sees the world through the rose coloured glasses of Sarah’s (Yvonne’s) perfection…you can’t see any of her faults because you can’t take your eyes off her face, which is, essentially perfect. So, since no other guy will defend Chuck…I’ll stand up for him. Chuck is me…and I’ve got my Sarah…..and I’ve seen her flaws. It’s important to look for them…nobody is perfect. And Chuck did do the best he could, but somedays, your best is not enough, nor is it your “best best”. Some days, those revelations just don’t seem to come to you…other days, they pop out of the blue. Some days we’re very perceptive, other days we’re not. The human condition is not one in which there is a consistent “best”. If there was, we’d see golfers shooting their best score every day of a tournament. Life has its ups and downs. But Chuck isn’t allowed to have them, so you crucify him at every turn. Did he drop the ball? Of course he did. But how do you get a girl like Sarah back, especially when she sees everything you do in a negative light? I mean, between Chuck, Casey, Devon and Morgan, they couldn’t figure it out..and there are a wide range of experiences in that particularly (odd) group. Not being able to tell the truth doesn’t help matters. It was only when Ellie gave him the straight goods ( probably the only good advice she ever gave him) that he finally realized what he had to do.
    But stop saying Sarah is blameless…if Chuck is the prize for Sarah ( as you claim ) then she has to try to meet Chuck somewhere out of her end zone. She’s the worldly one, the one with all the world experiences. ( Why does she need Chuck again ???? I keep forgetting what you said.) Instead, she lies to him, manipulates him etc. She falls for Shaw, which for an experienced spy like Sarah, is a major oversight, because she can’t see that Shaw is using her. ( BTW, the Intersect doesn’t help with social interaction ….it’s a source of information and motor skills only.)
    So this isn’t Hart to Hart…we have two flawed protagonists trying to make a life for themselves through some very unique challenges, and at the same time, save the world ( in broad strokes ). Problems are bound to come up.

    • I agree here, the story starts with two people from two different worlds. They learn to adapt to the other’s lifestyle. Sarah changed Chuck into believing he was worth something. Chuck gave a life to Sarah outside of spying. Both faced perils and trepidation. It helped build character, what is truly amazing is despite all the curves balls life threw them. They still were able to see what was important to them. Each other. Shaw, Quinn the agency couldn’t stop love from being with each other. It’s what makes the story so special.

      Season three was both there faults. No one was better than the other. Really Shaw was the one that mastermind the split between the two. Operation Awesome really ended Season 2 with First Class being the next hurdle they had to over come. What I liked about Sean perspective on the story was watching Shaw work his plan. Very good Sean. Gary, I find Sarah to be caught between a rock and hard place now. Sarah used to being by Chuck side was literally sent to the sidelines, and Sarah struggled with not having her place beside Chuck.

      Hannah affected her personally, while Chuck 2.0 affected her professionally. Remember Sarah had the opportunity to work with him and learn to be with him. Something she worked hard on. I see a woman now that felt she had everything from the male perspective. Job and great guy. Chuck was the woman that was tired of doing the cooking and cleaning and wanted to better himself. Sarah didn’t like it and became jealous to extent. She also acted like a woman. She allowed her boyfriend to follow his dream despite her own caution signs.

      After lying to Ellie about Paris and burning Manoosh Sarah sensed a change in Chuck’s core values. Most Women in a relationship try to do the motherly thing here and remind Chuck of his principles, which is what happen here “Where does the job end and don’t lose the guy I met three years ago.” or better “I didn’t raise you to be this way.” from a parenting perspective.

      Its like the lies Gary points out. It was all to get Chuck to do a job to stay focus. “I will get you ice cream if you clean your room.” However, Sarah didn’t always lie about their future. You can have anything you want, with whom ever you want. Make a wish its yours.

      See Sarah became the mother role in the spy world. Chuck was the son who wanted to move rapidly and with that Sarah saw changes from the man that told her about her father’s sins being his. We can sit and say the lies were wrong. She should of been a straight shooter, but it was never or strong suit. Chuck in my view was dead wrong lying to Sarah three times about his brain condition.

      Its not the lie itself that bothers me or Sarah. It’s finding out through a third party that hurts more. All Sarah wanted was to be included with Chuck and his adventures, and she didn’t want to be on the sidelines either.

  10. Sean

    “Chuck slept with everything that moved in the show. ”

    Oh come on….Jill ( who was his first love…and Hannah) aren’t everything that moves. Be reasonable.

    “Both characters are at the justice of the writers but my whole attitude is towards the point of saying – Season 3, the biggest writing flaws were in Chuck’s character, not Sarah’s. The writers should not have thrown Hannah in to the mix, Hannah was a waste of screen time and they should have concentrated on the main protagonists (all of them).

    Casey new what was going on, but he just sat on the sidelines and watched it all fall apart. His character could have been proactive, thereby reinforcing Casey as a main player against Shaw.”

    Absolutely agree …the biggest flaws were Chuck’s, and Casey should have been more involved. Doesn’t absolve Sarah of her part, though. Hannah had to sleep with Chuck to make sure Sarah would not shoulder any of the blame for sleeping with Shaw, though.

    ” If Chuck had kissed Sarah in Orange Orange ( Weinerliscious ?) before deciding to fake break-up and date Lou. It would have been a different world.”

    And Sarah had to stop hiding behind the cover relationship…

    Anyway, Sean, your contention that Sarah had absolutely no faults makes no sense from the story perspective. Why did she need a needy, loser, pathetic jerk like Chuck in her life ? This girl had it all already.

    • “Oh come on”

      The writers limited him to three women, as we are all assuming things without visual evidence, what if they threw another girl in to the mix. Chuck probably would have slept with her as well.

      “Absolutely agree …the biggest flaws were Chuck’s, and Casey should have been more involved. Doesn’t absolve Sarah of her part, though.”

      I don’t think anyone can be absolved. My whole premise is based on the waste of time Hannah became. Remove her from the story line and the world is a better place.

      “Anyway, Sean, your contention that Sarah had absolutely no faults makes no sense from the story perspective. ”

      She did have faults, I think I have mentioned them on her posts on other episodes. Sarah was so flawed it hurts; and Sarah/Shaw hurts too – regardless of whether she was doing it to dig up dirt on Shaw or because she fancied him. Sarah/Shaw hurts and it hurt the show.

      But if the writers did not mess up Chuck’s character so much and he showed linear development from Season 2. None of this rubbish would have happened.

      The first half of season 3 saw the writers make serious mistakes with Chuck’s character, they dug a bigger whole for him to get out of with Hannah and then they try to make him a super hero to absolve himself.

  11. Hi Chaps

    Here is a different way of looking at both arguments:

    If I was Chuck, and I had NOT chased Lou or Jill then if Sarah had slept with Shaw then I would be devastated – resulting in the end of the series.

    If I was Chuck and I DID chase Lou or Jill then if Sarah had slept with Shaw then I would be jealous. Resulting in a growing hate of Shaw and feeling like a victim of everything around me.

    If I was Chuck and I DID chase Lou or Jill and then quite happily went to bed with Hannah – breaking all my precious rules about bringing her home to the family is a big thing (thereby cheapening everything i held sacred). Then if Sarah had slept with Shaw then I would show little concern (maybe slightly jealous but it would not last) as we have probably both agreed to part ways – resulting in the end of the series.

    So how would you react under those conditions?

    And based on your answers, does it not show that the writers messed up Chuck’s character (read on before you decide).

    In all situations, both of them having affairs pretty much kills the relationship between them – if not because you dislike the other person for sleeping around but MORE because it tells you about your own state of mind. I want to sleep around because my fake relationship stinks.

    So based on this, if Hannah was obliterated from the story line, then Chuck would not have messed himself up and Sarah would have no excuse but to treat Shaw like (she treated the MI6 agent) Beefcake.

    Consequently, the world would be a better place.

    • If we are going to include Jill and Lou, we need to remind you Sean, Sarah did allow Bryce to kiss her in Chuck’s bedroom. How do we ignore that? Also Sarah’s reaction to the red test was a big chink in her armor. How do you explain her saying it was the worse moment in her life to kill Eve, but pulled the trigger on Mauser.

      It was voted as a justified act, but here is the disconnect. Chuck had to do what Sarah did. Pass the Red Test, which Shaw insisted Sarah to give the order. Again, Sarah is in a hard place. She voiced her opinion to who she thought was her new boyfriend, but the boyfriend said “Well, we will see if your asset is a real spy.”

      That whole portion of the story urks me. However, I do think there is merit in both situations. Chuck never heard what Mauser said, nor did Sarah know the truth about who shot the mole. It still urks me.

      • @Christopher

        “Sarah did allow Bryce to kiss her in Chuck’s bedroom”

        As I said, Sarah is flawed. But kissing is one thing, sex is another.

        “How do you explain her saying it was the worse moment in her life to kill Eve, but pulled the trigger on Mauser.”

        Eve could not be explained away. Eve was a stranger with no apparent connection to Sarah. Mauser had to die to protect the people she cared for – your mothering instinct at play.

        “Chuck never heard what Mauser said”
        Chuck did not need to, and if he did, Chuck being Chuck would put his entire family at risk – because Chuck could not pull the trigger.

        “nor did Sarah know the truth about who shot the mole”
        Chuck was following Casey’s request. Quite honourable really. Chuck gained my respect here. Sarah did not know the truth, but she was softening to realise that not everything was as it seemed, plus she was also willing to compromise because Chuck was still Chuck. Thus she had already packed the photo of the man she loved and was willing to leave even before Casey turned up. Sarah gained my respect there.

      • I think Chuck was shocked to see Sarah execute Mauser …he didn’t see the threat. But he was more put off by Sarah lying about it ….when they actually got to hash it out, and Sarah explained herself, Chuck was OK with it. Probably the first time Chuck had actually witnessed Sarah being an assassin.

      • yea, but she pulled the trigger for Chuck. She went rough and fought across Thailand for Chuck.. Its why Gary, I said finding out about his brain condition through a third party would of killed the relationship, but despite that she stayed with him. A great woman!!!!

      • LOL…. if early Season 3 didn’t kill the relationship, nothing would !!!

        Chris…I can’t emphasize enough that it is something you have to go through to fully understand. However, saying he was “fine” was not the right strategy. Telling Sarah exactly what the doctor said would have been fine, something like…” He says I’m fine but we’ll have to monitor it…we don’t know everything at this point in time.” It would have been truthful without causing undue concern.

        Life threatening illnesses …..some battles you need to fight by yourself….. it’s just a hard concept to grasp until you go through it.

      • “Life threatening illnesses …..some battles you need to fight by yourself….. it’s just a hard concept to grasp until you go through it.”

        Agreed. No one else knows what the intersect is like.

        Look at the Greta’s and what they said having had it removed.
        Look at what happens in the Suburbs. In this instance I think much of Sarah’s reaction here is also about how special Chuck’s brain is after seeing all those scientists die.

        So when it comes to a possible brain melt down. It is not a simple matter of sharing something like that and I think Chuck was trying to shield Sarah. Hats off to him. The threat of death from an illness is something you experience/live with alone.

      • Gary,
        I understand and appreciate your sentiments on the issue, and as I have discussed with you before it’s not the lie, Lord knows. I have gone down that road to protect my wife. A sickness like Chuck had is something you share with your future wife. It’s the bases of love. It’s a partnership.The vows say it. Trust and honesty are the foundation of a relationship. It’s why Chuck and Sarah failed so many times in progressing in there relationship.

        In studying human nature, I have learned the worse lies are secrets and in due time those secrets are the downfall to all relationships. I don’t make the rules, but history says so. As you said in your comment, A half truth is better than a lie that is discovered through a would be killer (Shaw) No I have not gone through what you and most have gone through, but in my heart I feel I couldn’t with hold something like that from my wife. I couldn’t because its not fair to her. We talk about selfless acts all the time when it comes to this show. Let your wife determine if she wants to stay or not.

        As I said, If Sarah would of left Chuck. She isn’t worth it because if you want to walk down that aisle in matrimony. You have to love your spouse through sickness and in health. Chuck brain condition or yours are something you need to talk about with your spouse because of the pain it will cause after the lie is discovered to be just that. I am in no mean judging the sickness.

        What Chuck went through was a tough situation. Especially when he didn’t ask for it, and the thought his mind would erase over time because of the flashes is scary in itself, but how could Chuck justify holding Sarah accountable for wanting to deal with the baby issue on her own, when he didn’t want to tell her about his own problem.

        Again please don’t take this as a judgment.

      • Oh…sorry Chris…it’s not that you are going to lose your wife….that’s not why Chuck didn’t tell her. That’s why I sugar coated it for my wife…you don’t want them to have more on their plate than they need to. ( Besides…I didn’t want to put worry lines on my wife’s beautiful face ! LOL) You need them to carry on with the other things in life, so you can focus on the disease. I never let my wife know how serious things were… I just let her know I had this “thing” I had to deal with …it wasn’t a big concern. That way she could just keep going with her regular life. I never ever thought she would leave me over something like that….. I mean, if i died, she got everything anyway….( and her freedom to boot)!! LOL

      • As I said,

        I understand the decision, but i just see finding out by a third party is the issue.

        Would your wife been so helpful if she found out about your condition through let’s say an ex girlfriend who by the way just tried to kill her.

        Let’ me explain better. The first Lie I understood. I said that’s fine, but after she knew and she just proclaimed her love for him. It would of been better for Chuck to tell her their. The way you said it. Instead she found out the significance of the brain condition through Shaw. This is the part I struggle with the most.

      • Just a thought but, with news such as this it can take a good warm up before you are ready to hit someone with it. That process of ‘you are just waiting for the right time’ can also result in events overtaking you.

        Why don’t we think of it this way.

        Chuck was going to tell her, he said so, he was just waiting for the right time. And with all the current events going on in their lives the right time never happened. Sadly, Shaw beat him to the punch.

        And given the events taking place at the time, I do think Sarah gave him a pass on this transgression. Remember, Chuck escaped with his father to protect Sarah – she knew that as he told her so.

        So in a way, Chuck was beginning to act like her shield. Which, given their current relationship status, you would expect him to.

      • Sean…I agree. It’s hard to blurt something like that out…it’s not like it comes with a playbook. I had something different than Chuck, and the situation was different. My wife was going to find out how serious things could get at some point, and it wasn’t going to come from an old girlfriend !! LOL
        But Chuck’s situation did get a little hairy and his intention was to tell Sarah, but also to protect her …yes…shield is a great term. I don’t think it was really as huge a thing as Chris is making it out to be. Sarah’s main concern, as usual, was for Chuck, not the fact that he didn’t tell her. She gave him a pass on it quite quickly ….

    • Absolutely agree… the hole they dug was too deep and too wide…it was drawn out too long. Prague was set up by Chuck not being the overly talkative, emotional guy who he should have been if they had followed linear growth. Now he’s majorly flawed.

      Second thing I noticed about the post -Prague Sarah ….she’s pissed…I mean ..REALLY pissed. But look at every other time she’s hurt by Chuck ? She never gets angry, she gets melancholy. Something was amiss…but perhaps not that big a deal.

      Anyway, I contend Chuck didn’t sleep with Lou, Sarah didn’t sleep with Bryce after he came back, in spite of the Omaha line.

      And Chris…. The Red Test was Sarah’s final test …. Shaw now knew that Chuck was his …Sarah would have no more influence. It’s irksome that she didn’t see the test as Casey saw it….or at least, knew what Casey did about Chuck, but she was hurting. She never really saw anything straight the whole season.

      • “Anyway, I contend Chuck didn’t sleep with Lou, Sarah didn’t sleep with Bryce after he came back, in spite of the Omaha line.”

        I still don’t think Sarah slept with Shaw. I think it came very close, so close in fact, but I don’t think it happened. Her commitment to Shaw was always based on the job and him being the abusive boss.

        Lou was history by now.

        Hannah’s inclusion as a plot device said more the show as a whole than we know. The fact that Chuck (with his sights set on Sarah, the person who made him feel whole) was actually party to trashing everything he held dear to him (dinner after a quick roll in the hay) after his entire reason for restarting in Season 3 was to make amends with her? Remember, it was the presence of Sarah that made him lose the beard and get dressed. The writers screwed Chuck the minute he stopped eating cheese puffs up until the minute he locked Sarah in Castle to save Shaw. There was respite (as we have seen in the review above) but then Hannah was the damage to come.

        As I said, the writers screwed Chuck. Why? I have no idea.

  12. Another throw away observation, just like the picture in Sarah’s bedroom/case.

    Look at Chuck’s mobile through the seasons and watch the evolving picture of Sarah and how the name changes from ‘Sarah’ to ‘Sarah Walker’ and back again.

      • Yes, very unlike Sarah and Chuck traits in this season. However, they come out of fine.

        But can we take this conversation to other articles because the comment feed for this article is getting quite long lol…..

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