Rewatch Week Nine: Season One Episode Nine

The ninth episode of season one of Chuck was an eventful one. Chuck’s has “fake” broke up with Sarah, which didn’t go over well with her.

Jealousy and impulsiveness will be the themes of Chuck vs The Imported Hard Salami. Follow by Sarah’s significant  impulsive act in as many episodes. How does the blond bombshell handle being sent to the back seat in regards to the affections of Chuck? Let’s find out.

Much like the last Rewatch Article, this article will focus more on Sarah Walker. Sarah has uncovered the feelings she has for Chuck are more then  fake, and while Chuck has moved on with the sandwich maker, Sarah will finally take action on the newly discovered feelings which would feed the jealousy and impulsive streaks she possesses.

For those that want to read my thoughts on the entire episode of Chuck vs The Imported Hard Salami please read the episode write up.

We are also up to the third part of this first arc, and while Sarah’s feelings are being established, and unexpected return at the end of this episode will unravel Chuck and Sarah’s world both professionally and personally. More on that later.

Sarah’s Jealousy and Impulsiveness 

What Chuck vs The Truth showcased was a transition from being a stone cold assassin, Graham’s personal enforcer, and CIA master fixer to a normal woman seeking to fight for her asset.

Before I get into my analysis, I want you to think about this scene for moment that took place near the ending of the episode between Lou and Chuck, and think about it while reading this article. I will talk about it when it comes time.

When we last left off with Sarah in her two episode character development we saw this emotion from her.

Sarah the girlfriend was born

The reason was Chuck broke up their fake relationship, and we also know that Sarah was trained to withstand truth serums, thus what she said no to Chuck, she was actually lying, but what drove the emotion above would be seeing Chuck with Lou after the break up.

However, Sarah was not going to take this lying down. She knew she had to maintain composure with the agency and Casey, but when she had enough strength to speak to Chuck. We saw Agent Walker to take a back seat to a pleading girlfriend trying to win her cover boyfriend back. (Keep the question Lou asked Chuck in  your mind}

There are two screen caps worth looking at when Sarah was ready to open the floodgates. I don’t care how trained you are in manipulating the asset, raw emotion like Sarah displayed was the girlfriend inside showing how she felt about the break up, but how can Chuck believe her when she mistakenly used the words cover and sell to explain the sudden emotions from her.

its simple really, she has no experience in the emotions she was feeling. She wasn’t use to someone breaking up with her and walking out on something they were building. Let’s take a look at the two screencaps.

The eyes already  are moistThese Years have feeling behind themTo take this further, What is the difference between Agent Walker and Sarah Walker the girlfriend. Let me show you the difference between the two sides of Sarah.

Agent Walker

When Sarah is in agent mode, she is cold, bitter and can be heartless at times. Its the life of training and conning that have taught her how to be calculating.

Here is a couple of  scene that best describes Sarah in Agent Mode, and its a bit of a spoiler, but without giving too much plot details. Here is Agent Walker in a nutshell.

Agent Walker PersonifiedAgent Mode

She is nasty, angry and stern. She doesn’t care for Chuck’s feelings and includes missions in her demeanor. She  threatens Chuck by sending him back to Washington if he accused her of being a double again. She preaches cover and applies manipulation to gain control.

What we have in the beginning of Chuck vs The Hard Salami is not Agent Walker. She is fragile and visibly hurt from the break up. It is obvious the second she walked into the Buymore.

SArah the girlfriend

Sarah was a mess, all signs of a woman being broken up, and realizing  the relationship was more than just a cover. It also marks the cliche you don’t know what your missing until its gone.

These Years have feeling behind them The eyes already  are moist

We haven’t seen this side of Sarah before. At least in Season One, She is torn the fact that Chuck is pushing her away, and rightfully so.

This screen cap is before Sarah said she had to sell it

Remember the Lou question I referenced at the top of the article. Well here is where I will bring it up.

Here is what Lou asked,Chuck The name in the () takes the place of the character that actually said, for example, Chuck said what Sarah should’ve of said and likewise, Lou would be Chuck.

Chuck: (Sarah)I’m an agent for the fda. (CIA)

Lou:  (Chuck) Can i ask you a question? This whole time, did you ever really like me?

Chuck (Sarah):Honestly?

Lou: (Chuck) Yeah. Let’s try that for the first time since we’ve met.
Chuck: (Sarah) Lou {Chuck), you are everything that i’m looking for. I just can’t look right now.
Lou: (Chuck)Well Thank you for being honest.

Its a conversation that should of happened between Chuck and Sarah, but it didn’t and the rest of the episode would showcase the very jealous and impulsive Sarah. Two emotions  she never thought she can develop.

The next scene to analysis would be the debriefing scene. What I love was the struggles Sarah displayed while to not create suspicious looks from Beckman or Casey. Chuck was busy discussing about his flash and how he didn’t want to get his current girlfriend involved.

When Sarah hears the word girlfriend in reference to Lou. Sarah almost gave away her displeasure in hearing it.

She has been trying to get one glance from Chuck Chuck not giving Sarah any love right now Earth Shattering newsHe just said she was his girlfriend  For a split second Sarah forgot who she was in the room with. It was a moment of anguish. The words “I don’t want to get my girlfriend involved.” weighted heavily on Sarah’s heart, but realized when looking at Beckman, she needed to change face.

Agent Walker was not involved in the confrontation with Lou. A jealousy ex girlfriend threatening the current one was more like it Sarah used her agent persona in the tone of her threat.

Sarah angry with Lou
I can kill you with my hands…..

Lou knows what this was about Lou:  Nice to see you again.

Sarah: You know,he’s a great guy.

Lou: Yeah,um,i’ve had the same opinion so far,too.

Sarah: It’s not an opinion,it’s a fact. Don’t hurt him.

Lou: Okay. Wasn’t planning on it. Thanks for the heads up,though.

The confrontation was an impulsive move a bunch of these kind of moves are about to transpire. which will culminating with a major move at the end.

Tension would continue during the mission preparation. Sarah wasn’t liking the lack of acknowledgment Chuck wasn’t giving her, and throw in the remark Casey made about getting laid. Sarah was sent into a fizzle even more. She seemed to have not thought of the concept of Chuck sleeping with this woman.

Sarah is not use to getting a cold shoulder from Chuck Chuck doesn't give her one glance when it was not given instructions

It was enough for her to know Lou was his girlfriend, but the idea she had the potential to get intimate with her former cover boyfriend was exasperating.

Not keen on Chuck sleeping with this woman

Sarah impulsiveness didn’t end their. In fact it would grow more and more as the episode would expand to something Sarah never has done to this point. It effected her enough on two folds.

1, Her emotions were spotted by Casey

2.  Sarah would allow her emotions to overcome and disrupt the mission and most importantly Chuck’s date.

There were two situations with Casey that will happen over the course of the next three episodes. The animosity between the two have subsided.  Sarah has cooled on the fact that Casey was the one that killed Bryce. When she called him her partner under the spell of truth serum. Things changed between the two.

now for the scene between the two that stood out for me in this episode.

Sarah is visbily miserable about this mission

Another flashback to earlier in the season. This is my own opinion on the mindset of Sarah here. Let’s do the math again, shall we.

1. Lou entered the Buymore needing her phone fixed just like Sarah.  one was fake and the other was real.

2. Sarah gave Chuck a a gift that turned out to be fake, whereas Lou gave a real gift with nothing behind it.

Sarah’s first date with Chuck was also in a club, when she heard the word do you want to dance, It was something Sarah asked Chuck, but unlike Lou.  Sarah did so to prevent the NSA to get their hands on Chuck.

Sarah dancing with Chuck

How could Sarah not show feelings forgetting who she was with for a few minutes.  It caused the big fella to point out the struggling Sarah’s feelings on this mission, but to quote a future character. The Lady Doth Protest too much.

The shock that Casey can see through her scharade

Casey laying the law down

Sarah: Maybe i should go in.

Casey: Same bit with you,huh? Sarah: What’s that supposed to mean?

Casey: You need me to spell it out? Fine. You fall for the guys you work with. First bryce,now our boy chuck.

Sarah: Bryce was a mistake,and i haven’t fallen for chuck.

Casey:  Yeah,whatever you say. And just so we’re clear,sister,not interested.

I have mentioned before in another article, how important it was for Sarah to hear this from Casey. It’s not what he said that struck me it was how he said it. He didn’t sound like he wanted to report Sarah to Beckman. A sign Casey was beginning to change.

The second part of this scene is all Sarah the girlfriend. She was hearing Stavros get threatening, and Sarah was waiting for the moment to go in. Did she jump the gun absolutely because she didn’t only have a professional stack in this matter. The more she was listening in to Lou and Stavros. The more she wanted to go in.

This was when the Agent and Girlfriend are in unison.

Sarah jumping the gun Sarah claiming Chuck as her ownSarah directly looked at Lou for a reason.  She did want to make sure Chuck was ok, but  the look she gave Lou made Lou want to split. Sarah was loving what she did despite Chuck’s dismay of her showing up in the club.

Then we move to the final scene, and rather then talk about let’s watch it.

Sarah final impulsive act would be a long passionate kiss.

long and passionate kiss

The thoughts of the kiss was an impulsive act, but one that has been building for some time. Sarah has  been seeking a kis several time from Chuck. Whether it be during The truth’s break up speech or this one.

As you can see Sarah had the fire in her the whole time. Carina said it first. She didn’t know it until Lou drove it out of her. The kiss she gave Chuck was months and months of wanting that chance at intimacy. SO, when they thought there lives were over. She was going to end it with something she wanted to do for months and kissed him.

While we know now where Sarah’s heart was, but unfortunately  Sarah’s first arc is far from over because of what was inside of the package.

The return of a ghost, Bryce Larkin

Bryce returns

Which brings us to the song of the episode.,

The song that I liked was Meredith Bragg’s My Absent Will

Overall Thought’s of Hard Salami

Hard salami is a great episode. It’s a character developer and we know that Sarah Walker’s world has turned upside down. She has discovered her feelings for Chuck are real.

Lou was something Sarah needed. Chuck showed how much he wanted his old life back, but the return of Bryce will force Chuck back down that road, and relive Stanford in so many ways. Sarah will have to make decision now does she leave with Bryce or stay in Burbank. We shall see in Chuck vs The Nemesis.

See you next week for Chuck vs The Nemesis. Don’t forget on October 5th we will be watching Nemesis together at 8pm EST

Nemesis offers a lot of information for the series overall arc. Plus we get one of my favorite single serving bad guy. Tommy was a real good baddie for the show. Read my thoughts on that here.

Impact Players Part One

Some side news. In about a week my sister is going to be getting married, and with that said there will be a brief break from the rewatch.  I will try to get Nemesis and Crown Vic out for you guys as soon as I can.

We also are Winding down Season 2, and would like to get into the Orion episode for the Chucksters out there.

I also would like to the Thank Paul from the Intersect Project Podcast for endorsing Sarah Walker vs Agent Walker last week in his podcast. The series was the biggest reason I started Chuckaholics, and his endorsement means alot. Thank you, Paul.

I also want to thank Skorpeo and  Şebnem for their contributions to the site.

Gary, you are one of the best family members. Thank you for updating everyone regarding Yvonne’s recent media tour in her homeland.

And that pretty much wraps up Week nine of this rewatch.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

53 comments

  1. This is off the cuff, so it might be a bit messy, but here goes and it should go towards a different look at jealousy in Agent Walker.

    “Sarah was a mess, all signs of a woman being broken up …”

    She was ‘thinking about the break up’, her eyes showed pleading, her hair was not its usual styling but her language was completely mis-placed and belied her entire position. You could say, this was an upset and distraught girlfriend walking in to Buy More – someone who just received bad and messy news.

    Sarah emphasised the word ‘thought’ (not only verbally but also with her body language) but even more compelling than this is the use of the word ‘look’ which begins the dialogue.

    Is she saying ‘look’ as in, ‘this is the way it is’ or, is she saying, ‘look at me while I am speaking’ (remember they are under surveillance). Sadly I don’t think we will ever know (i am straying towards the later from her body language) as Chuck’s defence throws her off from what she was trying to say resulting in a more professional conclusion (because chuck was looking through her than at her); although she does throw herself on a sword here before she begins crying (if this is what you want).

    From the coming and original kiss scene we do know that each of the two characters ‘bring out the worst in each other’. Chuck finds confidence in Sarah’s company, while Sarah feels her inner humanity in Chuck’s company. This explains the communication issues they are having, especially because neither of them are experienced in those types of emotions.

    “1. Lou entered the Buymore needing her phone fixed just like Sarah. one was fake and the other was real.

    2. Sarah gave Chuck a a gift that turned out to be fake, whereas Lou gave a real gift with nothing behind it.”

    Lou is different to Jill. Why? Because Lou has no history with Chuck. She is a new player, an uninvited guest to the world of Sarah Walker.
    Why mention Jill, because she is to Chuck what Bryce is to Sarah – and Sarah can only work with the emotions she knows. Sarah was correct ot say: ‘Bryce was a mistake,and i haven’t fallen for chuck.’ At this stage she had not fallen for Chuck, she was ‘falling for chuck’.

    Sarah was suffering from a ‘fear of falling’, and thus her retreat from Buy More looked more like someone gasping for air as she suffocates in the real world.

    ‘having feelings’ versus ‘have feelings’.

    She knew how she felt about Bryce so yes, she had ‘fallen’ for the feelings she identified as Bryce. But Chuck, these were still a ‘work in progress’ – they were deeper, very much different and something she needed a passport to understand. She had no reserve parachute for this trip but she wants to jump and take a chance – the only question is when?

    Sarah is ‘falling’ for the poorly defined nature of Chuck. Hearing him is sometimes more important than seeing him and for the current time, being in his presence means the world to her. She just does not know why. Time is controlled by external events, so this is insignificant to her (thus she cannot tell Chuck to hang on for a few months). So you could say that no, she has not thought about Chuck with another woman in any circumstances. because she is formed an emotional bond that defies logic (Chuck is a gift and needs to be handled with care).

    Being that guardian Chuck’s soul is hers; and for her only. Other women cannot see what she sees, they can’t, they are not her. And this is the current predicament of Sarah Walker the girlfriend. She cannot touch it, so why should someone else. So she needs to protect Chuck from himself, to keep him the way he is for her (he is perfect) – thus we have lots of assorted messages that say – ‘Chuck, don’t sell yourself short you can do and have whatever you want’.

    Sadly, she fails to see Chuck’s impatience. He is a guy with weaknesses. He wants it now, he wants Sarah now, but if he can’t have Sarah now, then someone else will do. Chuck is hungry to catch up on things he feels he missed on (Sarah has impacted on him already) and this breeds anxiety in Sarah which (in turn) results in frustration and mixed signals – thus we get a disheveled girlfriend entering Buy More pleading her case.

    If she could only say – ‘Chuck, be patient.’ But she cannot, because there is no time limit on their current situation. She cannot say how she feels because she is under surveliance but she does say – LOOK AT ME.

    “Sarah directly looked at Lou for a reason.”
    Sarah was delivering her promise on a threat to Lou. Sarah was protecting him from the Lou / Stavros business/relationship and simultaneously – owning her guy. They were doing something that might corrupt her Chuck and so she reacted.

    Now jumping a few scenes:
    “Sarah final impulsive act would be a long passionate kiss.”

    This entire situation happened as a result of pulling the gun on Chuck.
    Sarah was a knife and hand combat person, so she wanted to threaten him? Not exactly, she was using the gun to control her emotions and to stop Chuck from spiralling. I am also thinking that the gun has a sexual metaphor (where Sarah becomes the male and Chuck becomes a female).

    She wasn’t mad, she was anxious and frustrated because Chuck was panicking. Sarah says – “Why are you so stubborn”. Or should we interpret that as: why won’t you listen to me. A rare moment of ‘courage’ i hear them say as the sexual energy starts to take a life of its own.

    The ticking time bomb brings its own conclusion. They are in a building with no surveillance, and ready to die. Time no longer matters and in that respect, nothing matters except the experience of that moment. All constraints are removed, Sarah the girlfriend makes a bid for free will and is given freedom of expression.

    Notice how Sarah never takes her eyes from Chuck’s eyes. She is trying to read his soul and look for answers about her own feelings. The WOW factor has hit her but she feels uncomfortable because there is no immediate answer/instruction. She needs to interpret the event as there is no immediate change to her person except she finds calm and a renewed vigour for the next experience.

    The validation she seeks comes from Chuck but what is the answer.

    I think jealousy of Lou is too simple an explanation. I put it down to a fear of Lou – because ‘fear’ is the language used by spies and they know what it means. Fear can be an aspect of jealousy but what was Sarah scared of ?

    Sarah was scared of never experiencing a moment of passion with Chuck. She lived a life devoid of emotion and the worst feeling a trained spy could ever have is FEAR. Chuck breeds fear for many reasons and eventually the word ‘fear’ will become one of the many face of ‘love’ (in the future she will tell us that she does not get butterflies).

    Meanwhile, the significance of the bomb was simple – it removed the constraints of time and their current situation (they were just plain Sarah and Chuck, man and woman – no CIA and no intersect, no past, no future and no fear). In this respect, that kiss was endless and for this reason she gained insight in to the man she will love.

    She was uncomfortable because time had come back in to play (bringing with it her situation as agent walker) but she could not staring at his eyes. The eyes are the gateway to the soul and their kiss resembled more of a life saving action than that of a true romantic kiss. In this moment Sarah had found the road to salvation, her way to being a normal girl; she had found real life. An experience that haunt her over the coming episodes to slowly become her reason for being.

    • Sean wrote,
      “Sarah had found the road to salvation, her way to being a normal girl; she had found real life. ”

      Sarah never wanted to be normal…. that’s one of the pieces of dogma that gets rattled around the Chuck world that doesn’t really hold water.. She thought about what it was like to be normal ( she didn’t even know what it meant, and probably neither does the audience ), but she knew, deep down, that she was not normal. Anytime in her life she had the chance to live a “normal” life, she avoided it. It was obvious she enjoyed her life … the adventure, the control over people, no real rules, etc….UNTIL Bryce “betrayed” her, and her handler used her to kidnap the baby. It was then she started to question her role, and her deeds in the world. Graham sent her to Burbank for an “easy” case, which ended up being anything but. Chuck was an elixir … the yin to her yang. That’s why she didn’t really need a sexual relationship with Chuck …just being around him balanced her out. And it wasn’t because Chuck was “normal” …he was anything but.

      We talk a lot about Sarah not having anyone to confide in like Chuck. Two problems with that dogma…. first, she didn’t ever want to talk about her feelings or problems. Second, she had Zondra and Carina…2 good friends who could probably understand her better than anyone else in the world…and probably better suited as confidantes than Ellie or Morgan ever were for Chuck. She didn’t have life long friends, but then again, she didn’t need anyone until her father got arrested. She always had her mother to talk to, but she didn’t want to.

      And as far as emotions, Sarah had emotions …. she had always learned to control them as a teenager, and bury them ( especially after her Red Test). That was her survival mechanism. Chuck certainly screwed up that survival mechanism, because opening the vault just a little bit lets all the emotions out. And that’s where Sarah got in trouble…. open the door to love, and the negative crap comes out with it ( especially remorse ).

      • (Sorry …. posted that last comment before I was finished. Thought there used to be an “edit” button somewhere ???)

        Anyway…. negative emotions that Sarah had buried …. remorse, fear, jealousy….all the stuff that you learn to bury so you have a clear head when under the gun. Love, too ….

      • “Sarah never wanted to be normal”

        Sarah did not know what normal was.
        Is anyone ‘normal’? I bet if you put two people together who have never met, their interpretations of normal are quite different.

        Being ‘normal’ was an ideal and having met Chuck, Sarah began to realise that she wanted more than just the spy life – house, family, husband, regular job without guns.

        Which sort of makes her sound pretty normal.

        “Anytime in her life she had the chance to live a “normal” life, she avoided it. ”

        This is because she told us that she does not know how to live a normal life. This was a regular theme in season 3 (later half) and season 4.

        “Chuck was an elixir … the yin to her yang. That’s why she didn’t really need a sexual relationship with Chuck”

        Agreed, but not every relationship has to be sexual. This comes over time, they were too emotionally insecure to deal with a sexual relationship. So waiting until Paris was probably an act of fate and a good one for them.

        The other side is, if the love they felt for each other was dominated by sex it may have become a very different story and given that they were both spies. They would not have stood a chance.

        This was a story about two souls coming together (and given the age rating) sex just took a back burner. But when they were emotionally ready, you can’t tell me the Honeymooners didn’t make up for the lack of sex.

        So they did make up for the physical side of things in the end and by season 5 she was worried about babies.

        “We talk a lot about Sarah not having anyone to confide in like Chuck. Two problems with that dogma”

        Carina only gave her one option – spies don’t fall in love. She only had Zondra after they cleared her name as a potential traitor.

        “Ellie or Morgan”
        They were good options but they did not know enough about Sarah to be helpful.

        Sarah had her father but he was limited.

        “And that’s where Sarah got in trouble…. open the door to love, and the negative crap comes out with it ( especially remorse ).”

        Agreed.

        In season 5, pregnancy scene she says – “if you say it out loud, it becomes real”

      • Sorry…by sexual, i really meant physical … a relationship that any normal couples would have, with the normal progression to sex as they see fit. Since this was actually a fake relationship, it could never progress along the usual lines. That’s why I always say it wasn’t a real relationship, so breaking up wasn’t as big a deal as Chris makes it out to be. Yes, Sarah is hurt by the “breakups”, but she still has Chuck around in the asset/handler dynamic. I do agree that her problem with Chuck and other women is that she’s afraid they will change Chuck…at least up until Jill. After that, Chuck isn’t really going anywhere, so Sarah doesn’t have the same worries with the breakups. She takes these a little more personally since she feels she’s given Chuck the proper signals. ( And I don’t think Chuck saying, As amazing (?) as you are, Sarah, you will never be normal.” There’s no sign she was hurt by the line anymore than any of the other breakups….she was probably more hurt by her restrictions in letting Chuck know how she really felt. The best way she could let Chuck know her true feelings was by her reaction to Cole. I think she realized Chuck was eventually going to try to win her over…but I digress.

        Sarah never really wanted the “normal” life you describe….that sounds like what most would describe as “normal”, but Sarah had the chance at that life with her mother…. she didn’t want it…..she loved adventure, and her choices were always to produce a life that gave her the most adventure. ( Her mother said that to her…she had a piggy bank for “adventures with dad”, etc.) She had wanderlust, she hated putting down roots …she lived the life she wanted up until her dad got arrested. Anyway, living a life with Chuck wouldn’t have been her normal life…remember what she told Gertrude…and what she told Chuck when he wanted to start his computer company…..being a spy is who she is…it’s the culmination of her lives work. Even when she’s about to be engaged to Chuck, she has to do her Volkoff mission….

        Sarah had Zondra for all the years of the Cat Squad until the end… after she was framed for treason and lost contact with Sarah, she had Bryce to talk to. It really didn’t matter what the advice was, she could still talk things out with Carina too. I wasn’t talking about Morgan or Ellie being a confidante for Sarah. I was talking about Chuck… they weren’t the best people for Chuck…. Morgan wanted him to stay at the Buy More forever…and never grow up ( which is what Chuck did for 5 years). Ellie wasn’t good for Chuck either…she was as traumatized by being abandoned as Chuck was, except she overcompensated big time. She did help with Chuck in regards to Sarah, but not in any other relationship problems Chuck had beforehand. And all her advice regarding Sarah wasn’t good, like breaking up with her after the Suburbs, when Chuck was fine with his relationship with Sarah by then.

      • @gmhenderson

        “by sexual, i really meant physical … a relationship that any normal couples would have”

        You cannot compare them to the progress of a normal couple.

        Chuck was under satellite surveillance. He had Casey listening to him every night. Sarah nearly lost her job for blurring the lines of a handler and Chuck declaring his love.

        I bet if you were Chuck, you would feel a bit self-conscious (all day). As I have said, the only thing he could do was to either [a] go off-grid with Sarah or [b] visit her hotel room more often.

        He proved he could shake Casey. Sarah was the only one who could keep tabs on him any how.

        “That’s why I always say it wasn’t a real relationship, so breaking up wasn’t as big a deal as Chris makes it out to be.”

        You have to remember that anything ‘real’ in our world is always defined by context. Within the context of the Show, it was a relationship. Within Sarah’s mind it was a relationship (of sorts), within Chuck’s mind it was a relationship (of sorts).

        It is just like saying one person believing that other truly loves them. Within context, there is a loving relationship but it the reality may be that one person loves more than the other.

        “And I don’t think Chuck saying, As amazing (?) as you are, Sarah, you will never be normal.” There’s no sign she was hurt by the line anymore than any of the other breakups….she was probably more hurt by her restrictions in letting Chuck know how she really felt. ”

        Agreed.
        I think her own limitations made her upset here.
        I don’t think Chuck did it. What he was saying was common sense and I think she had to agree – that is why she looked back at him when they entered Ellie’s house.

        “The best way she could let Chuck know her true feelings was by her reaction to Cole. I think she realized Chuck was eventually going to try to win her over…”

        Agreed.

        “Sarah never really wanted the “normal” life you describe….that sounds like what most would describe as “normal”, but Sarah had the chance at that life with her mother…. she didn’t want it”

        She was a daddy’s girl. I don;t think we ave enough information on the mother-daughter relationship to make much of headway. I did notice she was living with her grandmother as well. So this may explain something.

        I have a tendency to believe she had little to do with her mother but that isn’t a little girls fault.

        “she lived the life she wanted up until her dad got arrested.”

        She lived the only life she knew until her dad got arrested.

        “being a spy is who she is”
        A lot of 28 year old can say that, but they have plenty of time to change. Saying something like that is like saying – i don’t know what else i want to be. We all say to ourselves eventually.

        “Even when she’s about to be engaged to Chuck, she has to do her Volkoff mission….”

        That was to save Chuck’s mother.
        She was doing something heroic at that point.

        “Sarah had Zondra for all the years of the Cat Squad until the end… after she was framed for treason and lost contact with Sarah, she had Bryce to talk to.”

        Bryce said he had one friend in the world – it was Chuck.
        In the world of Chuck the series, spies have professional relationships, I don’t think they are really friends like we know. They are ready to burn each other, shoot each other etc … at a moments notice.

        “Ellie wasn’t good for Chuck ”
        Agreed, Ellie was more a source of mixed issues and drawing Chuck back to family related issues rather than letting him build his own life. Ellie was an anchor around his neck more than a foundation stone. She was also a bit two faced. Ellie could lie to Chuck but Chuck was not allowed to lie to Ellie (which sound like Sarah).

        Maybe the writers gave all the female characters the same rule book:
        “Female characters can lie to male characters but male characters cannot lie to female characters.”

        In fact, even ‘Awesome’ was starting to look a bit ridiculous. TV v Washing Machine (Ellie won), the baby name (Ellie won), bachelor party (he was made to feel like a bad guy, nothing happened and he still had to apologise), wedding arrangements (Ellie won), baby care and work (Ellie won) – try to name a situation that Awesome won or where something was agreed to by both partners?

        Awesome was built up to be Mr Fit, Mr Strong and Mr Capable but in fact, he was completely led and managed by Ellie. He was a bit of a walking ghost really and totally under the thumb,

        The source of all comedy was from the male characters.

        The female characters (even in Buy More) were held as examples of ‘the right way to be’.

        Sarah, Ellie, Carina, General B etc … they were all viewed as being shining examples of what is good and wholesome in the world. They were the victims. Only one female character was tainted – the frivolous girl in the cat squad.

        Ellie’s love affair with her dad’s laptop caused so many problems and near death experiences but she led a very sheltered life. No one told her that meddling can get people killed. However, Awesome knew, Morgan was told etc …

        Ellie saw herself as a surrogate mother figure and in that respect she was flawed and should have been the last person to provide help.

        Look at the Morgan / Anna relationship. Anna is knocking off another guy, and the entire show is based on supporting that action (only Chuck has an issue with it). Now when Carina is chasing Morgan – Morgan gets it in the neck because Casey takes exception to it due to his daughter (Morgan did not deserve any of that).

        Some double standards in the writing being observed (but this same issue is relevant in much of today’s media – especially when it involves issues of the heart and family).

        Even Volkofs daughter was given every excuse under the sun. I mean, what happened Chuck, why was Volkofs daughter able to impact on you in such a way??? She could try to kill you, try to kill Sarah and do much more but you still found an excuse for her … If Chuck had dealt with her in the early stages like he would deal with any ‘bad guy’, then none of the major problems would have happened and Sarah may not have nearly died.

        But yes, I do digress too much – maybe a topic for another day 🙂

      • Speaking bout the Cat Squad and Bryce, etc…..I’m having some trouble with the Timeline.

        Sarah was with Bryce for at least 2 years prior to walking into the Buy More … ( correct ??? )

        She was in the Cat Squad for 5 (?) years before that ??? That would take her back to fairly close to the end of her basic training, no?

        When Shaw came along, he said that his wife was killed 5 years ago, which would have put it 6 months to a year before she started up with Bryce.

        How could Sarah be the spy /assassin / wild card in the Cat Squad or even before the Cat Squad if she hadn’t yet done her Red Test ??

        And, back to our discussion regarding Chuck’s support system ( Ellie and Morgan ). Like I said,the general consensus ( dogma IMHO ) is that Chuck doesn’t have Sarah’s issues because he had Ellie and Morgan. ( Chris ….yes, Sarah has terrible issues ….this isn’t about Sarah, so take off the rose-coloured glasses when you read this please.) If they were such a great support system, why was he still such a basket case 5 years after the ultimate trauma of being kicked out of school and losing the love of his life ( such as she was) ?

        This is where I feel the yin and yang of Sarah & Chuck comes from … because of their unfortunate backgrounds and how they were taught to deal with the backgrounds, Sarah was free to pursue the adventure she always craved, but she had to bottle her emotions to protect herself. Chuck was the exact opposite. He was free to express any emotion he wanted ( and was protected from the consequences of doing so by Ellie, Morgan, Bryce ), but he had to bottle himself physically from the real world in order to do so.

        Bryce was probably Sarah’s first emotional experience since her Red Test. It wasn’t love…probably lust, which is probably a more physical reaction. But she was prone to it even when he came back, so there was a deep connection there. Sarah worked very hard at battling her need for the physical lust with Bryce, knowing it was up against the true emotional “love” she felt for Chuck. Chuck being a nerd and having the blind spot when it comes to Bryce could never understand that battle Sarah was fighting. Nor should he be expected to understand it …given his background.

      • “Sarah was with Bryce for at least 2 years prior to walking into the Buy More … ( correct ??? )”

        Sounds about right.

        “She was in the Cat Squad for 5 (?) years before that ??? That would take her back to fairly close to the end of her basic training, no?”

        In season 3 we are told she is 28. So assuming she met Chuck when she was 24/25 and five years in the Cat Squad will make her about 20.

        We can assume she joined the CIA when she was 18. So I would assume up to 2 years basic training?

        But no, because we have the Baby incident. When she was with a handler. So let’s assume she had a handler for 12 months.

        This makes 1 year basic training at age 18 or so.

        By season 5 we can assume she is 30. Like most women, I think the change in hair styles are a clear indication of her age 🙂

        That’s how I kind of think about.

        “When Shaw came along, he said that his wife was killed 5 years ago, which would have put it 6 months to a year before she started up with Bryce.”

        Based on my assessment above.
        18 Joined CIA
        19 Finished basic training.
        19/20 With a handler
        She would be around 20 when she joined the Cat Squad.

        So she must have been 19/20 when she shot Shaw’s wife.

        Based on that, she will meet Bryce when she 22/23. I remember them saying their first assignment was either in Portugal or Spain. That’s where she scattered his ashes after/before Prague (as Shaw thought she was a spy for the ring)

        I am also assuming that Chuck is older than Sarah, so Bryce must be a similar age to Chuck. I would guess he is around 3 years older.

        Age is another angle that determines their characteristics. So another article there …. lol

        “How could Sarah be the spy /assassin / wild card in the Cat Squad or even before the Cat Squad if she hadn’t yet done her Red Test ??”

        From my calculations:

        18 Joined CIA
        19 Finished basic training & Red Test
        20 With a handler in Europe (which explains why the red test was in paris)
        20 joined the Cat Squad.
        22 Meets Bryce (this allows for a gap in the relationship).
        24 Baby incident
        25 Meets Chuck

        I may be wrong, but the above is how I see it.
        You could say, they were very young to be the world’s best spies when you compare it to Jason Bourne or James Bond 🙂

      • Just a thought, the Zondra (perceived) betrayal.

        This may have had an effect on Sarah in her relationships with everyone. Zondra was a perceived friend (and female), not a boyfriend so here is an additional dynamic.

        Mistrust – thereby making Sarah clam-up even more.

        I will say no more due to possible spoiler alerts but worth a thought.

  2. About Ellie and Morgan and Cpt Awesome.

    They were an (absolutely) useless support mechanism. They may be a good sounding board, it beats talking to a mirror or a wall, but advise-wise. I thought they were rubbish and totally agree with the supposition that Chuck was still a basket case in Season 3.

    The support they gave was non-practical and a complete waste of time.
    Ellie proved that by breaking them up in one episode and then getting them back together within 50 minutes.

    As I said, the only good thing they provided was:

    1] Friendship with Morgan to keep Morgan happy.
    2] A roof over Chuck’s head
    3] Living with people stops you from feeling lonely.

    In the pilot (at the party thrown by Ellie) I was under the impression she just wanted Chuck to have a girlfriend so she could release herself from her fathers request – look after Chuck. Which is why she jumped on Sarah, because she recognised that Sarah was:

    1] Nice
    2] Great looking
    3] Capable
    4] Practical
    5] Had an emotional void that needed filling and the way she looked at Chuck gave it all away.

    “because of their unfortunate backgrounds and how they were taught to deal with the backgrounds”

    I agree.
    Chuck knew it.
    It took Sarah a long time to realise that they were the same.
    They were not too dis-similar.

    “Sarah was free to pursue the adventure she always craved, but she had to bottle her emotions to protect herself. Chuck was the exact opposite. He was free to express any emotion he wanted ( and was protected from the consequences of doing so by Ellie, Morgan, Bryce ), but he had to bottle himself physically from the real world in order to do so.”

    Agreed. Spot on 🙂

    “It wasn’t love…probably lust”
    The Mexico shooting scene qualifies this.
    Same as the dancing scene.

    Agreed. Definitely lust – which is what Sarah calls, a professional relationship (beefcake, teeth cleaning scene).

    “Sarah worked very hard at battling her need for the physical lust with Bryce, knowing it was up against the true emotional “love” she felt for Chuck. Chuck being a nerd and having the blind spot when it comes to Bryce could never understand that battle Sarah was fighting. Nor should he be expected to understand it …given his background.”

    Bryce saw himself as a hero and a friend of Chuck.
    Bryce enjoyed a professional relationship with Sarah. Sex when the desire kicked in. Knowing that he might have to shoot Sarah or burn her at any moment. Thus Sarah was not a friend.

    Chuck had super emotional issues and never considered himself to be in the sex game until Lou, Hannah and Jill gave him sex on tap.

    I think Sarah could live without the sex situation most days as it was too intwined/mixed-up with her job, sex was part of work. Thus she called it a professional relationship; and given that she may need to shoot bryce or burn him.

    Based on this, for Sarah, Bryce, Carina and others there is no emotional connection in sex. Chuck could not understand this.

    However, Sarah met Chuck and found her heart. She found romance and daydreams and all the butterflies in the world. Eventually they would have sex, and they did, but for Sarah, we should called the first two seasons the ‘romantics’. Season 3, ‘contemporary’ and season 4/5 ‘new world’. Just like classical music 🙂

    Does that makes sense?

    • Absolutely agree with everything in your second post …sex was important to Chuck..even in the emotional sense. For Sarah, it was purely physical. ( Gender juxtaposition there !!)

      First post….Shaw said his wife was killed 5 years ago….. but Sarah had been in Burbank for 2 1/2 years. She must have been a spy for a number of years before her Red Test then !!!

      That’s what I can’t understand…and it puts Chuck’s Final Test under the gun…..

      • Even though Yvonne and Zac are 2 years apart, I think they’re the same age in the series ….second year she was 28 ( DeLorean…when Sarah was going “out” with her father, but wouldn’t tell Chuck what she was doing on her personal time….Chuck just said something to the effect of… “what a normal 28 year old woman does on her personal time.”)

      • “Absolutely agree with everything in your second post …sex was important to Chuck..even in the emotional sense. For Sarah, it was purely physical. ( Gender juxtaposition there !!)”

        To be honest, I don’t think Sarah was overly sexual.
        Yes she knew how to play the sexy spy. But sex was a tool – and to be honest. I think she used sex as a tool with Bryce in order to find some intimate moments with him.

        She craved intimacy, sex with other spies achieved it without breaking professional cover (i.e. telling them she wanted intimacy and emotions):

        – When she described Chuck, physical descriptions were vacant.
        – When she saw Shaw’s half-undressed, she was embarrassed and wanted him to cover up.
        – In Shaw’s apartment the entire chuck jealousy thing was not seen in Sarah, indicating that I don;t think she did that much with Shaw.
        – The days in Washington with Shaw were more about shopping, food and trying to deny her feelings for Chuck, so again I don;t think she did much with Shaw.
        – She was initially put out by Shaw’s kiss on the neck.
        – She slept with a knife.
        – When she was on Valentines, she did not get the ‘sock joke’ et al.
        – She told chuck, ‘time to make love’ but she knew what she was saying – playing him.
        – Sarah’s reaction to Chuck getting lucky with Hannah.
        – Her general bedroom attire when she was with Chuck.

        I could go on, but I really don’t think Sarah was in to sex for the sake of sex. Her dad was not seen with women. Her mother seemed to be without a guy. Runs in the family maybe?

        I am in the thinking that sex was not a big priority for Sarah.

        Her punch bag and exercises gave her all the physical she needed.

        Plus she liked 30 minutes quiet time before going to sleep.
        Indicating she likes to meditate before sleep.

        “Shaw said his wife was killed 5 years ago”

        True. So that would mean:

        18 Joined CIA
        19 Finished basic training
        20 With a handler in Europe & Joined the Cat Squad.
        22 Meet Bryce
        22/23 Red Test & Baby incident
        24 Drop baby off at moms house
        25 Meet Chuck
        27/28 Meet Shaw

        I think we need artistic licence.
        Maybe the entire Cat Squad were trainees at inception? And each of them only became professionals a bit later on. Cat Squad was not full time – i think they were put together when it required a female team only. She was possibly on the run with that baby for a while as well.

        Carina mentioned Bryce, but none of the other cat squad did.
        So I assume Carina knew Sarah most of all.

      • Agreed …it seems Sarah never even had sex during the first 2 years of the show due to being Chuck’s handler …we never saw her wander off or take a night for herself. What I meant was that Sarah saw sex as physical …a means to an end ….no emotional attachment to it.

        Second point being the Baby…… wasn’t that her last assignment before Burbank ?? I think she went right to her mom’s house from Hungary … it was probably in between Bryce and Chuck, and probably a week at most. Babies don’t stay babies for long !!! Odd that she’d still need a handler after so long as a spy.

        I was really just pointing out that they really did take artistic license there, which made the need for Chuck to take a Red Test in order to become a spy a joke. Sarah had to have been a spy for quite awhile before taking her Red Test….. she even told Shaw that she was just a young spy when she was given the order. As well, I think she was supposed to have gone to Harvard according to the background information they gave on the characters …. it was never really elucidated in the actual series. And I do agree that the Cat Squad was probably a special team put together when needed. Zondra was Sarah’s best friend before she was setup by Amy…and Sarah was the one who found the bug, so I think that is where the falling out was. Carina was always just a moderate player…but she still provided a sounding board for Sarah when needed. I don’t think either Chuck or sarah ever got great advice form their support structure !! LOL

      • “which made the need for Chuck to take a Red Test in order to become a spy a joke. ”

        I think Sarah’s reaction to Chuck being required to take a red test was an indicator that Shaw was rushing him. As I have said before, Shaw wanted to weaponise Chuck ASAP.

        “I think she was supposed to have gone to Harvard according to the background information they gave on the characters”

        I dropped that as an assertion when the ‘dream job’ happened. Remember what she tells Chuck – the job is just a cover.

        I think she went to Harvard undercover – on an assignment.

        Not for education as a student. Otherwise she would need to be much older based on everything else she has done. She looked out of place at Stamford (Harvard grads would have kicked a joke surely). Her knowledge about the ‘credits’ system was also missing when she spoke to Ellie about Chuck and she was recruited in different circumstances to Bryce.

      • Don’t know about Sarah’s reaction to the Red Test being too early. The indication was that you had to pass the Red Test to become a spy. Even Casey couldn’t believe it when Chuck came into The Buy More and said that he passed the final test and he was a spy, because Casey knew you had to perform a Red Test. That’s why Casey followed him on the mission …. he figured Chuck would be given his Red Test, and he was there to protect him.

  3. “Even though Yvonne and Zac are 2 years apart … what a normal 28 year old woman does on her personal time.”

    He should have said ‘typical’ instead of ‘normal’ it sounds so much nicer.

    It is possible but the line strikes me as something someone slightly older would say to some slightly younger:

    And when they are at the Campus, I just assumed from her demeanour, that Sarah was playing a slightly younger age range more in keeping with what the actors are in real life.

    So yes, I could be wrong.

    If we knew the age of her school friend, then that would settle it.

    ———————————————–
    Question of the day.
    ———————————————–
    Just throwing this out there but,

    Sarah said she was not into music – honeymooners etc …
    But she did buy Apple Ipod Speakers in the season beforehand. (Chuck said, you don’t have to buy something every time you come in)

    I wonder what she was listening to?

    • I am sorry for being MIA, but i been getting Seduction ready. As Mondays are rewatch mondays.

      Regarding this episode. When Sarah walked into the Buymore a week after “fake” break up. I have mentioned Chuck veterans have to include a certain video we shall remain nameless for rewatch purposes.

      It was a week since the break up, and just throwing it out their purposes. This means 7 days of not being with Chuck personally and professionally. She had gotten use to game night and double dating.

      What Lou did was take away her toy. So, when Sarah walked into the buymore. She was a wreck. She looked and felt miserable. She tried one last plea for him to reconsider. Yes, she used the wrong words like for cover, but as Sean said cameras and surveillance make her options limited. The Home Theater was like their mini office.

      Normally an agent wouldn’t care if the asset was dating someone else. They could of came up with a cover for the break up, but Sarah unwillingness to walk away and to fight for Chuck.

      The tears were real not a cover, she further the cover became a cover for her feelings when she showed up on the date. We can’t ignore that. She was waiting for a moment to strike. Here she is sitting in the van. Like a time bomb, just waiting and waiting. She has Casey pointing out her tendency to fall for the guys she works with.

      It set her off even more when the stone cold killer that is Casey can see she had feelings for Chuck. She found her chance when the asset was in danger.

      The mission preparation scene was also telling about the two. Sarah was used to Chuck smittening out of her hand. In which he completely ignores her and its bothering her.

      This is what I took from this two episode arc with Lou.

      1. They both needed their phone fix and came into Chuck’s life the same way.

      2. They both gave Chuck a gift a sandwich and a photo. Lou gave a real gift Sarah didn’t

      3. and this is a big one. Sarah and Lou both went to a club with Chuck. It’s like Sarah was reliving their first date. Grant it it’s a mission, but don’t you think in Sarah’s mind she was on a date in a club too.

      There is a parellal between Sarah and Lou, which Chuck saw real from Lou and Fake From Sarah. Yet, Sarah was the one that planted a real passionate kiss at the end.

      She lunged for him, She kissed him because of the months of Frustration. She asked for a kiss in Tango, but he pecked her. She gave him a three second wind to act on the Forced to kiss scene. Then before Chuck fake broke up with her. Sarah was expecting a kiss there. So, the idea of kissing Chuck was there since Tango.

      The idea of leaving this world without kissing Chuck or had that chance at real intimacy was the way she wanted to go out.

      Sarah the girlfriend was born in this arc, but once she had Chuck back in her paw, she could return to the way things were.

      • 4. Don’t forget – Lou ended up in a car as well. Lou was providing sex stimulation (what Chuck was always after) while Sarah was saving his life. Maybe this suggest another important reason for the beach.

        Then …
        Don’t forget the morning scene where Chuck was interested in moving on the kiss angle (return my phone calls) but Sarah was bothered about Bryce. They both mis-read each other.

        I believe it was the resurrection of Bryce that forced the break-up. Yes, stupid Chuck should have kissed Sarah there and then – but he is an idiot after all who never looked at her when he spoke.

        Sarah the girlfriend was born, but she had to deal with a world with two men that held different meanings to her. Returning Chuck to where he was would enable her to manage him, given Chuck’s inability to handle Bryce.

    • Different quote that you put there 🙂 ….. I was going to agree anyway….he could have also used the word “ordinary” rather than normal….and I think that is what he meant. After all, Chuck was not normal, ordinary or typical in any way, shape or form himself.

      Music-wise…..she also had an iPhone, a clock radio and she played some musical instrument in High School. She was listening to Chumbawumba in her little diesel Rabbit, wasn’t she? Maybe she was into 90’s music !!! Or maybe she was into classics …she was, after all avery good dancer, so she had to have some training with music.

      • @gmhenderson
        “Chuck was not normal, ordinary or typical in any way, shape or form himself.”

        Agreed.
        I think we all need to remember.

        Chuck has always been an intersect.

        He was not naturally clever, gifted or probably not even good with computers. His father gave him the intersect as a young boy (by accident), so yes – Chuck is not normal.

        Technically, he did cheat at Stamford.
        He had the intersect. pre version 1

        He was a hacker called piranha.
        Yes, cos he had the intersect. pre version 1

        He had a nice girlfriend.
        Yes, cos he had the intersect v 1.0

        He was a spy.
        Yes, cos he had the intersect v 2.0

        Can I have one 🙂

      • I think the ability to have an Intersect was special….special brain wiring…the tests he did in college that showed his special ability weren’t because he had an Intersect, it was because his brain was great at retaining information. The early Intersects didn’t give any abilities to perform tasks, it only embedded information. V2.0 was altered to give abilities as well as information, so all Chuck’s abilities were his. The Stanford test was only to show that his brain was ideally suited to retain information, and recall it. Adding the ability to affect motor neurons is a separate area of the brain.

      • “it was because his brain was great at retaining information”

        Naaaaaaaa.
        Chuck was useless at learning from his mistakes and taking instruction.
        He couldn’t find his way around the CIA building when he went to Washington. There are hundreds of examples where you can prove Chuck had a useless memory (remember, the porn virus was from Morgan – it was a kind of word association flash).

        His father had the earliest intersect.
        He told us that, and he could flash; and he did when he spotted the bad guys taking Bryce from the wedding.

        So if Chuck has embedded information at age 8 (for arguments sake), a period while his brain is still developing. He got use to it and no doubt he used it without knowing.

        Now given that his dad was a genius on computers, you can imagine that that a programmer would make the first intersect about stuff he knew – programming computers.

        Thus, Chuck is good with computers, loves video games and all things nerdy. At Stamford he was excellent with certain visual tests, the intersect made his brain that way.

        Now, Chuck went to Stamford and the first book we see is a book on C++ engineering. He made one text based game. Behind his bed (at home) he has a book on Perl.

        In more than 5 years Chuck should be good at C++ as well.

        And at no time in the story was that intersect suppressed.

        So when he asks the Lester/Jeff to look at the virus, why? Because he tells us they are good with C++

        Thereby implying, his normal brain wasn’t that good.

        (Maybe he should have dropped those and stayed with ‘C’, it would have made learning Perl easier lol)

        His normal brain gave him the personality to deal with the intersect. That is what made him special and to be able to withstand the Ring programming in the suburbs.

        That’s my take on it any way.

      • Lots of conjecture in that story !!! LOL

        I thought Chuck gave Jeff and Lester the virus problem because he was busy with other things.

        Memory and picture associations are a little different…. memory is usually tied to emotion, and since Chuck had no control over his emotions, learning from his mistakes isn’t the same as a brain that that can retain image-based coding and recall ( no emotion to that part of the brain…it’s more like imprinting). The fact that Chuck’s brain didn’t shut down when downloaded with millions of encoded images meant a special brain. That doesn’t mean he was a genius, but it also doesn’t mean all his abilities were implanted. Heck, we all see thousands of images every day, but how many do you recall ? And does seeing an image or action convey upon you the ability to do that action? If you see someone playing a guitar, can you automatically play a guitar? Of course not… that didn’t come along until Version 2.0, and, unfortunately, the connection between the prefrontal lobe / hippocampus and the motor centre of the cerebral cortex and basal ganglia caused some type of over heating pattern in Chuck. His father, though, over heated with just information encoding and / or retrieval.

        Chuck was a geek / nerd probably even before he had the initial intersect…Star Wars, computers, his odd curiosity that got him into trouble as a kid … his dad even noted to Ellie that Chuck was a little different. And it wouldn’t be unusual that Chuck became a bit withdrawn into the world of video games due to his mother abandoning him too.

        Not saying that all this is without question, but it was never intimated that the first couple of Intersects gave any special abilities other than to flash on images and decode the information stored in those images. The download had risks in overwhelming the brain, but it never happened to Chuck.

      • @gmhenderson
        “I thought Chuck gave Jeff and Lester the virus problem because he was busy with other things.”

        No. Listen to it again, he says they are good with C++.

        “The fact that Chuck’s brain didn’t shut down when downloaded with millions of encoded images meant a special brain. ”

        Exactly, but the fact that he had stored images from such an early age implies that his intelligence was based on the intersect.

        “Heck, we all see thousands of images every day, but how many do you recall ?”

        It is not seeing pictures, but information connected to those pictures. All memory tricks are based on this method.

        “And does seeing an image or action convey upon you the ability to do that action?”
        Some people can, I think they are called memory pegs – images based on association with another information source.
        But it is a TV show and not really real for us human beings.

        “If you see someone playing a guitar, can you automatically play a guitar?”

        I have seen that happen, but not instantly. Within an hour or so, if they have perfect pitch they can go from zero to hero. All kids do it when they buy a guitar and make a band. The rest is just practice.

        “Chuck became a bit withdrawn into the world of video games due to his mother abandoning him too.”

        Don’t tell Sony or Microsoft, that could be a new marketing campaign 🙂

        “it was never intimated that the first couple of Intersects gave any special abilities other than to flash on image”

        It never not intimated either, they only have 42 minutes air time, so who knows. But we do know that the original intersect was never suppressed. We also know that his dad said Chuck was special after the intersect accident and that Ellie was charged to look out for him.

        If Chuck was a hacker called Piranha, his book shelf would not contain Perl or C++ manuals. His book shelf would by Python, C, Pascal, Assembly etc … he would have more than one computer and replace the toys with electronics gear for phreaking etc … He would listed to certain types of music, and Morgan would also be a computer whizz.

        And given the excellent visual imagery (found in the sets and scenery) throughout the show, I doubt they would have missed this detail. Instead, he has a room stacked full of toys/collectibles (while Tron was given to him by his dad). He even asked Sarah if he looked like a hacker.

        Yes, I have thrown in conjecture, but as Chuck says, go with your instinct – in this case I think it makes sense.

      • The information had to be in the Intersect in order for Chuck to flash on it. An Intersect encoded image from 1988 would not have the images and information needed in order to retrieve and decode information from the early 2000’s so that Chuck would “know” that information. Plus, like I said, it didn’t give abilities ….only information. Casey had said to Chuck in Season 3, “Before you had the Intersect, you were smart…” We are also lead to believe that there wasn’t a lot of information in that first Intersect …. after all, that Macintosh SE only had about 2 mb of disk storage max !! 😉

      • no there wasn’t remember Orion didn’t finish the product. It basically was a prototype he downloaded by it still was the application.

        When Bryce sent him 1.0, it was Orion’s finished product. 2.0 really wasn’t Orion’s because he said the designs were not his.

      • @gmhenderson

        “An Intersect encoded image from 1988 would not have the images and information needed in order to retrieve and decode information from the early 2000’s”

        Why not? Maths, History, English and the computer languages I mentioned above are all the same today as they were in the 1980s. Basic science remains the same.

        As a well known General once said, “to be able to move forward and progress, one must understand where you came from”.

        @Christopher
        Agree with what you say. And Orion did not how to reverse it until Roark. So how did he know how to suppress it?

        I wonder if any one to do with the show reads this site? The conversation must be source of fascination to them …

  4. Two other points on this.
    1) in order to retrieve the knowledge contained within the coded images, Chuck must “flash” on something which sends him into his zoned out state momentarily. We do not see Chuck flashing when he is reading, learning, etc. Plus the way the Intersect works relies on the ability to store and retrieve an inordinate amount of images. What he was good at in Stanford was the ability to store and retrieve an inordinate amount of images that were flashed into his “subconscious”. This was not enabled by the Intersect, but it was this ability that allowed the Intersect to work optimally. My guess is Chuck had an abundance of prions or neuro-chemical packets that enabled this. Downside…excess neuro-chemicals aren’t a good thing for your emotions.

    2) Chuck was a hacker, but he retained all his hacking chops ( vs The Hack off ) AFTER he lost the Intersect at the end of Season 4. Since the Intersect was removed, all his hacking knowledge should have been removed as well, since it would have been contained in Intersect images if your theory is to stand up to scrutiny. So any knowledge Chuck obtained through the Intersect right from age 8 ( or 9 ), would be gone when the Intersect was removed….and this is not the case.

    BTW….this IS fun !!

      • Did you type that on your phone again, Chris !!! 😉

        It’s what I didn’t like about the latter part of Chuck ( right from the Shaw upload )….too many people were able to have the Intersect. Among all the Stanford people tested, Chuck was the only one who could retain and recall the massive amount of images they were all tested for. He was supposed to be special that way …the ideal candidate for an Intersect.

      • @Christopher
        “Yes, actually it can get frustrating sometimes trying to write something without errors sometimes.”

        Chuck you’re spiralling
        🙂

      • Shaw confused the intersect upload. Shaw must have had a perfect brain as well. So what made Chuck special, was his ability to not become a monster or megalomaniac – he came close when rescuing Casey’s family, but Sarah (when they re-affirmed themselves) kept him in check.

      • The only reason why i am fine with Shaw getting the intersect was because the bad guys have to get it eventually. I hate when the good guys think they are the only ones that can come up with ideas.

        Bad guys can get their hands on scientists and or engineers that can do the same work. The only issue was 3.0 , which I will save for later.

      • I don’t mind Shaw getting the intersect. It provides balance int he world. It also gives Chuck a nemesis, someone to compare himself to in order to stay on the right track.

        My actual point was about Chuck’s brain being special. If it was special, Shaw had a special brain as well.

    • “subconscious”
      The accident when he was a child ‘prepped’ his brain.

      He may have a photographic memory, but I don’t think he’s an intellectual giant through hard work. As I said, he’s had 8-5 years with one computer language – and he still wasn’t an expert at it. He passed that job to Jeffster as they are better than him (he did say that).

      I still believe that original intersect helped him out and also made him more solitary. It defined him, coupled with a reaction to his parents, it made him the nerd we know today.

      “Chuck was a hacker”

      I am still on a the fence here – falling towards no.

      All the known evidence about intersect 1.0 suggests you are right, but intersect 0.X. His lifestyle did not scream hacker. We only have a CIA comment in a report saying that he was ‘good with computers’; and that phrase can mean anything.

      If he was legendary, hackers would know who the piranha is.

      Chuck can fix computers, but that isn’t hacking. He had a hackoff, but he hacked the Buy More. He did not hack the Fed Reserve. Hacking home is easily done when you read the Castle Manual.

      So I am not sold here.

      • No…he hacked the security system of that group …AND corrected a coding error of the guy that did get into the Fed Reserve ….the Buy More TV’s were easy and were a distraction to what he was actually accomplishing in the time allotted. Besides, all the Hackers at the compound ( I can’t quite remember the name of the group) knew the name Pirhana when he mentioned it ….. so he was a legit hacker. He just didn’t do it for any nefarious reasons …. so he probably wasn’t fully into the culture ( especially as of late). Hell…I mean who uses Chardonnay as thinking juice !!!

      • Ah Gary,

        Well said my friend, Chuck hustled them. The classic bad billiards player until a cash cow decides to challenge him.

        The reason I said this was because in Tom Sawyer he used a virus called the Chuck Bartowski special. In which the people of atari didn’t know how to solve it.

      • They were called ‘the collectives’.

        When he mentioned the name ‘piranha’. The reaction was ‘on right’ more than ‘wow’.

        Freddie announced he did the $0.01 from the Reserve.

        Chuck said, “a little too easy if you ask me and who wants a penny …. so i hacked into the Buy More”

        So no, he did not hack the federal reserve; and that is why he was going to get shot. Chuck did however, hack in to the building security, open the doors for Sarah and take control of the lights.

        Yes, I did supposedly fix a compilation error on Freddie’s computer so artistic licence is given …

        Piranha, attacked a local network (he was on that network) and attacked Buy More. Which is OK I guess (given that Buy More security is so well documented – manager’s safe), but it is not the federal reserve.

        So sorry guys, not totally sold.

      • My main point to Sean is that the hacking was done sans Intersect, so he had to naturally have mad hacking skills…it couldn’t be Intersect related. Even the Bartowski virus he put in the Atari computers could possibly be Intersect related ( I don’t think it was ). Sean can’t refute that Chuck pulled off the ultimate hack in a room full of the best hackers in the world …all without any Intersect knowledge. And he was well known amongst the hackers….he was so good that they didn’t believe it could actually be the Piranha….

      • “Didn’t he have to hack something pretty elaborate to actually find the guy who wrote the virus…”

        Not really, he said he used a basic algorithm. Yes he made it sound cool because he was enjoying himself; and why not.

        “and also find the collective ??”
        Any one could have a go at the collective, remember, failure implied death. The CIA could fake his credentials any way …

        I am still not sold on Chuck being a mega hacker but if I can see the evidence then I will happily salute the piranha 🙂

      • All IT Guys think they are hot stuff with the computer. Chuck is no different. He got all giddy when telling Casey about the Chuck Bartowski special.

        But let’s take the Chuck hacking stuff to a article about Chuck’s character like the good bad and ugly of Chuck Bartowski.

        Hard Salami isn’t about computer stuff…Let’s talk about what happened in Hard Salami more

      • Sandwiches …

        Lou provided the ego popping – here is a sandwich named after you.

        Just saying but I certainly wouldn’t have waited all that time in the sandwich shop.

      • Wow….. the world seems to have changed since I was in my 20’s. I think I would have waited around in the shop in order to have “a short, meaningless relationship” with Lou….nothing else was really on my mind when I was young !!! She could feed your body and your soul !!

        Perhaps everyone is just a lot more careful now …. it would have driven me crazy to have to be with Sarah for over 2 years on a strictly , ” Look, but don’t touch..” basis. The odd kiss and hand holding wouldn’t really rock my world….

      • Gary,

        What Sarah and Chuck shared was compassion for each other. The ability to showcase the need for touch and intimacy other then rocking i between the sheets. Its very enduring when you see that kind of story being told.

        Sex is great and all, but if you base a relationship on that. Eventually it gets tiring. You need to have more then just that. Yes, the world has changed. It’s learning to love each other and be with each other beyond the physical nature.

        Chuck and Sarah’s relationship was of a soul purpose. As you said, what they got from each other was balance. Something they both needed. The reward was sex, but not the end all be all. its why I love to story so much. it’s why it hurts me what I saw what happened in Prague because I knew in my heart these weren’t the same characters, but understood Chuck needed to change from being in the van to being up on the frontlines

        With Sarah by his side. Chuck had it all. Career and a woman. were there hiccups alone the way, sure but what couple is really smooth sailing.

      • @gmhenderson

        Chris said it all:
        “With Sarah by his side. Chuck had it all. Career and a woman. were there hiccups alone the way, sure but what couple is really smooth sailing.”

        Lou was a just a roll in the hay; and Chuck only managed that because of Sarah. Drop a potential full on situation with Sarah just for a couple of sandwiches; and she was competition to the local ‘subway’. Don’t bite the hand that feeds.

      • From the mouths of babes !!! It is obvious you are much younger than I am. Believe me, your bodies change with time. Your minds don’t…..A little advice from an old guy …..make hay while the sun shines !! 😉

        No Chris…. I’m only kidding. Finding your soul mate is important. In between relationships , or getting over failed relationships, a purely physical release is fine. I did like Chuck’s line about the government never wanting him to have sex again !!! So he never fully consummated his sexual relationship with Lou ….it was a distraction from the upheaval in his life for a brief moment. But it forced Sarah’s hand, which was important for both of them….understanding that they would never get get that “je ne sais pas” from anyone else. They really had to test their mettle a few times ….quite often we really don’t know what we have until it’s gone. But nothing could ever prepare either one of them for how to proceed with this type of relationship…it was unique, so they had to feel it out on their own. There could never be a manual or a friend or a parent to walk you through the bizarre circumstances they both found themselves in. They made their missteps, they used what leverage they had to understand the signals the other was sending, and they eventually found their way to be together.

  5. Chuck vs. The Imported Hard Salami

    Late to the party on this one. Some good dialogue as well. I’m afraid I have to agree with Christopher, and this episode is really about how Sarah takes not so fake break-up!

    The defining moment as to how this episode will go is in the first couple of minutes…. Sarah trying to explain why it is not a good idea to fake break up, and with her nose growing ever so long (pinocheo syndrome) from trying not so well to lie about there being no feelings between her and him!!! Her not so fake sell job was pretty obvious as well. She is missing him all ready! Even Casey sees through her false facade . You can see the hurt in her eyes while she is listening from the van. She want to be there instead of Lou.

    I loved their quarrel in the back of the car! You can tell Sarah is hopping mad at Chuck! More so because he was fighting a bit dirty with the Bryce comment, but quite a bit of I don’t want to do this anymore!
    And the kiss! Sarah gave in! I love, love stories!!!

    My continuing order!

    The Truth, The Intersect Project (Pilot), The Imported Hard Salami, The Alma Mater, The Sizzling Shrimp, The Tango, The Helicopter, The Sandworm and The Wookie!

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